Thread: Guns in National Parks

Originally Posted by Mike257

Glen Im with ya on the bar thing, but curious to why you agree on us not being able to carry in the bank. I live in a concealed carry state and hold a Missouri CCW, I have to disarm before I go into the bank, doesnt make sense to me.

I think the original thought of those old laws were along the same lines as the freedom of speech stops at "Fire" in a theater "Bomb" on a plane type thing "Gun" in a bank I could actually see as being a public panic problem...
Even a huge RKBA supporter like myself would have to go with that one....
But it doesn't mean I wouldn't be really, really, ****ed if I were in there (unarmed) and the place was robbed

I think the original thought of those old laws were along the same lines as the freedom of speech stops at "Fire" in a theater "Bomb" on a plane type thing "Gun" in a bank I could actually see as being a public panic problem...

Good point, I never really thought of it like that.

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Originally Posted by littlesilverbladefromwale

In the UK when I tell people we used to be able to bear arms* in the UK untill quite recently and believe we should still have that right, they look at me as if I have just climbed down from the Christmas tree!
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yes well some people will never be .... what is the word.........

oh yes I know the word...... but I can't say it here!

you call them sheeple

Jeff Cooper called the rabbit people

political pundits on the right refer to them as useful idiots

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.


Guess who said that (without looking it up)

Well it has been signed and goes into effect in 90 days.

Here is an NPR article on the subject.

I thought this was an interesting FBI statistic.

The violent crime rate in national parks was 1.65 per 100,000 in 2006 versus 469 per 100,000 people in the city.

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.

I won't say, because I already looked it up, but that's a bit scary.

I can imagine MANY past and present political leaders and pundits saying exactly that.

Really folks, if you don't know where that quote is from, copy and paste it into google.

Originally Posted by igitur55

There's that fear again. My wife hikes all the time in the National Parks, and is nowhere near as scared as you. Do you spend much time in the NPs? My heart goes out to you if you or yours have suffered personal harm in the parks. If that is not the case, check out the earlier poster who wrote on the comparative safety of the parks, and how bringing in guns threatens to destabilize that. I would really like to take the emotion (fear/anger) out this debate. Can we do it?

I feel compelled to point out that your entire objection to the right to carry in a national park is based primarily on fear. Do you really fear your armed neighbors? Between one in four and one in three of your neighbors or coworkers have a gun in their home legaly. Do you feel less secure because the guy across the street might decide to use his gun to take your bling? He could, yet you're still able to sleep at night because you know the guy and he's not a psycho or a criminal. Why will he be more of a threat to your safety once he crosses into a national park?

Guns are pretty damned common here in my county. I'd say about 75% of the households have at least one gun. Is Pacific County WA a notably violent place? It's quite rural and has some national park land. We have a couple of meth-heads but they mostly stick to cutting the locks off of people's tool sheds (you're not likely to get shot over that). Are the people who own or carry firearms legaly a particularly violent demographic? I would say not, and I'd like you to find a credible statistic that shows otherwise.

It seems that you have a rather irrational fear of people who carry weapons legaly. I know quite a few of them, and I have found them to be pretty rational and even tempered people. You probably know some as well. Ask them if they plan on going on a crime spree in a national park now that they are "allowed to" by this new law.

Just because the crime rate is lower in national parks than in the city doesn't mean you should have the right to disarm me. I live in a brick house instead of a wood house, should I throw away my fire extinguisher? Should you mandate that I not have one because you perceive my risk as lower?

As for the "people in bushes wanting sex" thing - a simple, "No, thank you" usually does the trick.

I would be more concerned (around here) about mountain lions - which can be a concern even in less rural areas, really. (I knew, as a young lady, a nice woman who was mauled and killed while jogging in the South Bay hills. She'd put up a good fight from the looks of it, but a gun would have been very good to have had in that case.)

There have also been instances in national parks and other really wildernessy areas which involve human predators and for which I would prefer *to* be armed.

As far as banks go, I can see why they don't want guns in there. Kind of a no brainer if you ask me.

Originally Posted by Mike257

...it's the Perverts I see here hiding in the bushes propositioning you for sex Im worried about.

You must be a lot better looking than me, Mike. I never get propositioned.

(Yes, I edited the hell out of your post to make it funnier)

Originally Posted by Elliette

As far as banks go, I can see why they don't want guns in there. Kind of a no brainer if you ask me.

I usually dont get involved in these conversations, its like trying to solve the problems of the world in a bar, but can you explain why you think its a "No Brainer" ?? Do you think the Law abiding citizen who holds a carry permit is going to hold up the bank ? Do you feel safer knowing no one in the entire bank has any kind of weapon and that the Police are going to run in and rescue everyone in the event that some nut comes in and holds up the place. I dont understand this kind of thinking. I live in a concealed state you would never know I had a gun if you were standing next to me at the bank, so help me understand your logic here.