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    County Official Defends Home Bible Study Citation - San Diego News Story - KGTV San Diego

    turns out they were violating zoning laws concerning parking, religious or not. from the sound of it, you could be cited for having a barbeque worshipping all powerful Atheismo and the same thing would have happened.

    there are restrictions where I live about having big gatherings, regardless of content, it's pretty standard boilerplate in most HOA covenants. the official in this follow up interview states that he was concerned about being able to get fire trucks in because of the parking situation.

    also, it should be noted that the PD wasn't randomly picking on them, they had rec'd multiple complaints about people parking all over from the neighbors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jockeys View Post
    County Official Defends Home Bible Study Citation - San Diego News Story - KGTV San Diego

    turns out they were violating zoning laws concerning parking, religious or not. from the sound of it, you could be cited for having a barbeque worshipping all powerful Atheismo and the same thing would have happened.
    So then all that rot about "do you worship here" "do you pray here" was just made up? I mean, if they have violated a city code that has nothing to do with traditionally formal religious assembly, then why ask those questions? That part may as well have been left out and this would never have made the papers
    Attorney Dean Broyles of The Western Center For Law & Policy was shocked with what happened to the pastor and his wife.Broyles said, "The county asked, 'Do you have a regular meeting in your home?' She said, 'Yes.' 'Do you say amen?' 'Yes.' 'Do you pray?' 'Yes.' 'Do you say praise the Lord?' 'Yes.'"

    The county employee notified the couple that the small Bible study, with an average of 15 people attending, was in violation of County regulations, according to Broyles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jockeys View Post
    turns out they were violating zoning laws concerning parking, religious or not.
    The county officials had no business interrogating them about the subject of the meetings. Religious or not. They have other methods of enforcing parking violations at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jockeys View Post
    County Official Defends Home Bible Study Citation - San Diego News Story - KGTV San Diego

    turns out they were violating zoning laws concerning parking, religious or not. from the sound of it, you could be cited for having a barbeque worshipping all powerful Atheismo and the same thing would have happened.

    there are restrictions where I live about having big gatherings, regardless of content, it's pretty standard boilerplate in most HOA covenants. the official in this follow up interview states that he was concerned about being able to get fire trucks in because of the parking situation.

    also, it should be noted that the PD wasn't randomly picking on them, they had rec'd multiple complaints about people parking all over from the neighbors.
    If that's the case, issue parking citations. There are already methods in place for the enforcement of parking regulations, and they need to utilize those methods.

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    I agree that asking about the religious nature of the meeting was inappropriate, if it occurred. there is nothing but heresay to confirm that, however. if it turns out the officer said those thing, he was way out of line and should be suspended without pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jockeys View Post
    if it turns out the officer said those thing, he was way out of line and should be suspended without pay.
    According to the attorney it was "The county" who asked those questions and a "county employee" who notified the couple they were in violation.

    It's just as wrong but even more surprising to me if it was a police officer who asked those questions (assuming they were actually asked)
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoglahoo View Post
    According to the attorney it was "The county" who asked those questions and a "county employee" who notified the couple they were in violation.

    It's just as wrong but even more surprising to me if it was a police officer who asked those questions (assuming they were actually asked)
    "A county code enforcement officer visited the house"

    In my county the code enforcement officer IS a county police officer, but I suppose it may vary from county to county.

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    No, the world is not going to hell in a hand basket. Anyone who reads this news story and seriously thinks that the county government of San Diego is trying to outlaw bible study is schmokin' crack.

    Sorry, I think that the media, the homeowner's lawyer, and the talk radio world is making hay over what will probably turn out to be a load of BS.

    Honestly, if you have any sort of gathering at your home that brings in 10 to 15 cars on a regular basis, you're neighbors are likely to complain, and with good cause. The fact of the matter is that if they'd been having a gay-Women-of-color-chili-cook-off every thursday with that many cars, the county would have invoked the same code. The county employee may have been trying to determine the religious nature of the gathering for various reasons. I would suggest that they overstepped their bounds when they did, though. Since none of us were there, we'll likely never know.

    I have to say that I think sometimes the religious right walks around with a chip on their shoulder over issues like this. See how no one was pulled from their homes and placed into a concentration camp over this? No one was lynched, no one was even forced to pay a fine? Yeah, they hired a lawyer, but I'll bet all they really had to do was call their local TV station and local elected official and the problem went away. Notice too how no atheists came swarming to the defense of the county government over this issue? I'm sorry, but getting a citation over a use permit based on neighbors complaints does not equal persecution. They were not singled out because they were christians. Contrast this to the fact that here in the US, seven state constitutions officially include religious tests that would effectively prevent atheists from holding public office, and in some cases being a juror/witness. No, they are no longer enforced, but it sure seems a bit discriminatory that they haven't been removed.
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