Thread: Freedom of Speech Vs. Hate Speech

Originally Posted by pio

when you start ATTACKING people base solely on sking color, ethnicity, sex life, etc...that's just plainly wrong...

I don't think any one is disputing that. The thing is whether the motive is a crime in and of it's self.

This thread makes me think of American History X.

Originally Posted by gregs656

I don't think any one is disputing that. The thing is whether the motive is a crime in and of it's self.

This thread makes me think of American History X.

IMO should be a crime...but i guess its a case by case...

the government should protect the people from the people...

hate speech only leads to hate crime...

YAY...
another Bad rep!!!
just because i dont agree and post MY opinion?
trollish? Shortsighted?
why?
because i have a different opinion?
should i always agree and all be ok?
give me a break!

it just make me laugh!

Originally Posted by pio

hate speech is not freedom of speech...
you can talk whatever you want about the government...
but when you start ATTACKING people base solely on sking color, ethnicity, sex life, etc...that's just plainly wrong...

if people have the right to say it, people have the right to defend themselves...

hate speech is borderline harassing...IMO...

Its that borderline that is extremely important.

I'm going to make a statement.

Blacks are more likely to end up in jail.

Is that racially motivated hate speech, or just a fact?

Now in order to determine weather or not I'm a criminal is up to how you perceive my motivation in making a statement. That is something you cannot do. Yet I can gaurantee that there is a reader out there offended by the above. Even though I didn't imply a cause of any type and you can check the fact of the statement someone is offended and believes I hate them because of their race. Did I commit any type of crime? Should I be prosecuted? You can bet that at least one person is saying yes. If that person is in the wrong place they will ruin the lives of a lot of people who are in no way guilty of any real crime.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

Its that borderline that is extremely important.

I'm going to make a statement.

Blacks are more likely to end up in jail.

Is that racially motivated hate speech, or just a fact?

Now in order to determine weather or not I'm a criminal is up to how you perceive my motivation in making a statement. That is something you cannot do.

quit using logic Tim. Hate laws have nothing to do with logic. Get with the program already!

Can the "Thought Police" be very far behind?

Originally Posted by Wildtim

Its that borderline that is extremely important.

I'm going to make a statement.

Blacks are more likely to end up in jail.

Is that racially motivated hate speech, or just a fact?

Now in order to determine weather or not I'm a criminal is up to how you perceive my motivation in making a statement. That is something you cannot do. Yet I can gaurantee that there is a reader out there offended by the above. Even though I didn't imply a cause of any type and you can check the fact of the statement someone is offended and believes I hate them because of their race. Did I commit any type of crime? Should I be prosecuted? You can bet that at least one person is saying yes. If that person is in the wrong place they will ruin the lives of a lot of people who are in no way guilty of any real crime.

well it all depend on the forum...

but what about if its a white supremacist group (KKK maybe) who say that...
in a black community, dress in full outfit, with a burning cross behind him and a noose on his hand?

no, i guess that's free speech as well...

Originally Posted by pio

well it all depend on the forum...

but what about if its a white supremacist group (KKK maybe) who say that...
in a black community, dress in full outfit, with a burning cross behind him and a noose on his hand?

no, i guess that's free speech as well...

You are apparently not paying attention.

Originally Posted by JMS

You are apparently not paying attention.

i have a short attention span...

here's the thing, speech is protected, calls to action are not. for instance (this is just an example, I don't actually hate Zoroastrians)

"I hate Zoroastrians. I think they're hella lame, and you should all hate them, too. Let's form a club so we can hate them more effectively, and send out flyers and have parades about how lame they are. Let's brainwash kids with propaganda about how lame they are so they'll grow up to hate them, also."
This is legal.

"I hate Zoroastrians, let's go lynch some."
This is not legal.

See the difference?