Thread: Freedom of Speech Vs. Hate Speech

I do not want to get into a heated argument over this in any way. For anyone that is interested, there is a great pod-cast on this issue. If you have I Tunes, just do a search for "Lawyer 2 Lawyer" and it is the latest pod-cast for this outfit. It is two lawyers that host the show, and they have three legal experts on the first amendment discussing the First Amendment, its impact on hate speech, what is protected, etc... . I just finished listening to it and enjoyed it (but I'm a geek that way).

Matt

Originally Posted by mhailey

I do not want to get into a heated argument over this in any way. For anyone that is interested, there is a great pod-cast on this issue. If you have I Tunes, just do a search for "Lawyer 2 Lawyer" and it is the latest pod-cast for this outfit. It is two lawyers that host the show, and they have three legal experts on the first amendment discussing the First Amendment, its impact on hate speech, what is protected, etc... . I just finished listening to it and enjoyed it (but I'm a geek that way).

Matt

I agree with the third guest. The laws already in place serve us well and no additional punishment should be handed down for so called hate crimes.

Originally Posted by Quick Orange

I agree with the third guest. The laws already in place serve us well and no additional punishment should be handed down for so called hate crimes.

I do think it should be taken into consideration, in the same way crimes of passion are.

Motive is important, but it shouldn't be a crime in and of it's self.

Originally Posted by gregs656

I do think it should be taken into consideration, in the same way crimes of passion are.

Motive is important, but it shouldn't be a crime in and of it's self.

+1 Absolutely. Its like the guy who steals for food vs the guy who steals for money. One is hungry the other greedy, niether is a crime.Motivation is to be considered but is not the crime itself.

i dont think there should be any protected speach.
doesnt the constituition say "congress shall pass no law abridging the freedoms of speech" which is exactly what weve done.

when we start picking and choosing what is and isnt allowed we go down a dangerous path.
whos to say anything against the government isnt "hate speach"..... theres no place to draw a line,
the most INSANE and idiotic drivel should be legal in the US, reguardless of who it upsets.
people dont realize, your not even allowed to have peaceful demonstrations anymore without permits. they often just let em go because they dont want to contribute or cause a news sensation.

i just picked up an ipod last night, might see if i can find it. ive been using winamp to add songs.

That brings us to the old question of, when you are at the superbowl next year and you stand up with a megaphone and yell, "there's a bomb here about to go off". Free speech? How about the hundreds killed in the resultant stampede.

I think it's a damn shame that I live in a country where I can only hate a man if he's white.
Otherwise it's what?

extra extra hate?

sorry, I don't have an ipod and never will

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

sorry, I don't have an ipod and never will

I was just like you until about 1 1/2 weeks ago, when i got my first ipod, and I love that thing. every CD i own, and probably ever will own, will fit on that thing. 30,000 songs in total will fit. amazing.

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

I think it's a damn shame that I live in a country where I can only hate a man if he's white.
Otherwise it's what?

extra extra hate?

sorry, I don't have an ipod and never will

I agree. I dislike that I can't hate someone for what they're doing- it's always got to go to race. Personally, I'm an equal opportunity hater...I'm more interested in hating your actions than your race, gender, etc.

You can still download iTunes and get podcasts on your computer. That being said, I love my iPod touch. I never much cared for whatever mp3 player brand I was using (as long as it worked), but the Touch is just sweet. It's a mini computer with wifi that just happens to also function as a great mp3 player. One day when I have the money, I plan on making a permanent mount in my truck dash I'm fabricating to hold the Touch like it was made to be there. Put a ton of music on it and I never have to listen to the radio again. In a perfect world I'd also figure out a way to hook it up to my engine and run diagnostics on it. Wouldn't that just be sweet?

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

I think it's a damn shame that I live in a country where I can only hate a man if he's white.
Otherwise it's what?

extra extra hate?

sorry, I don't have an ipod and never will

You can hate who ever you want, it just can't be racially motivated. You could, presumably, be tried for a racially motivated hate crime against a white man.