Thread: Proper use of a CCW firearm

Originally Posted by JohnnyCakeDC

A fired shot into the ground can bounce anywhere. Bad news for some innocent bystander. But thankfully that didn't happen. This guy is a retard, goes to a ****ing bar with a loaded weapon in his pocket, gets into a fight ( most likely because he has a gun), and then draws it on a guy but shoots the ground instead. This guy is a real stunad. The state will probably take his CWP away, and rightfully so.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Originally Posted by singlewedge

He clearly broke the law by carrying the weapon into a bar. That I agree with. I also agree that he did say back up several times before he fired the shot into the ground. Although I am not convinced that the shot was intentional.....

I presume you do know the law where you live, so I will grant that it would be illegal to carry in a bar. You are still assuming facts not in evidence.

Originally Posted by icedog

You left out the warning shot that was fired "into the ground". I happen to disagree with the firing of warning shots, especially in an urban environment. All shots fired must be intentional and controlled.

The chick with the dog looks like she is hot.

I agree 100%.

When you take a CCW class they teach you that you never draw your weapon unless you plan to use it, otherwise its brandishing.

I heard that he was charged with discharge in city limits . . . nothing else noted. Did I just miss that?

I didn't see any girl either though . . .

Originally Posted by fccexpert

This is a classic example of what happens when you assume that the law you are familiar with applies elsewhere, it also assumes facts not in evidence.

There is no claim or any proof that he brought the gun into a bar, they are outside, on the street.

As far as I can tell, this is in Oregon (the television stations call sign begins with a K - West of the Mississippi and it also says Northwest News), I do not know what the CCW law there says about bars.

"If that was what in fact happened" I said. You're right, we don't know the whole story. Only what the TV says. And it usually says "guns are bad". I'm going to bet dollars to doughnuts this dude was in the bar. And that in my book makes him a irresponsible gun owner. But I could be wrong, he could have been just walking down the street and a guy from the bar came at him with a knife. - yeah that makes sense.

The story is vauge yes.

The guy with the gun was also charged with menacing as well as discharge in the city.

You draw your weapon as an escalation of force. You discharge your weapon to protect your life (or the life of another). Prior to discharging your weapon you make sure you have a clear line of sight and know what is behind the target. If you do not have a clear line of fire, or you may endanger someone else, you reholster the weapon and retreat. (In CT the only place you are not required to retreat from is your home.) It appears to me that this guy had plenty of room to fall back, while shouting the command to 'move away'.

If he had been cornered or in "imminent" danger he should have pointed the weapon at the attacker and fired the weapon until the threat was neutralized. Nowhere are you taught to fire "warning shots". Neither are you taught to wound someone, or shoot the weapon out their hands.

This kind of poor thought and action help to scare people into thinking weapons are unsafe. We all know that it is PEOPLE that are unsafe.

Originally Posted by tdgrunt

It appears to me that this guy had plenty of room to fall back, while shouting the command to 'move away'.

If he had been cornered or in "imminent" danger he should have pointed the weapon at the attacker and fired the weapon until the threat was neutralized. Nowhere are you taught to fire "warning shots". Neither are you taught to wound someone, or shoot the weapon out their hands.

This kind of poor thought and action help to scare people into thinking weapons are unsafe. We all know that it is PEOPLE that are unsafe.

+ one here...

I didn't agree with the re-holster part, once drawn I would have kept it out until I was safe... Granted he might have pulled a bit early, but that ship had sailed..

When faced with a knife inside of 21 feet if you are not "gun out and ready to fire" you WILL get cut...Way to many tests done on this...

Bottom line we don't have enough here to really judge, but with my 2 eyes I can see he could have re-treated, if after that he was followed, then shoot straight...