Downin some brewskis with the pres YO YO !!

**gratewhitehuntr** · 07-30-2009, 02:08 PM

good answer

in some jurisdictions failure to comply is arrestable

now as to why they were bothering you in the first place..........

**smokelaw1** · 07-30-2009, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Slartibartfast

wait... is this about getting drunk with the pres or racial profiling?

Can't it be about both? I'm guessing there's a two beer limit on the afternoon...though it would be super cool to hear about them each having three or four. Then, though...with those racist DC pigs onthe prowl, gates would get popped for DUI.

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

good answer

in some jurisdictions failure to comply is arrestable

now as to why they were bothering you in the first place..........

Thanks. Failure to comply WITH WHAT, though. He had shown ID, and according to what I have read, he was yelling at the officer as the officer left the house, and even once on the front porch. Did he fail to comply with the order to stop yelling at him? OK...is that arrestable? Interesting.

Why were they bothering me? We were being loud in violation of a noise ordinance. You are given one warning, one ticket, and then someone goes downtown (don't know if this is the statute, just how it is done in practice in the town). I was an obnoxious drunk college student when they gave us the warning. I was cuffed and stuffed, not arrested, not read my rights. As soon as I got in the car, I realized what an idiot I was being (not nearly as bad an idiot as should have been put in the bracelets, just arguing with a LEO, and questioning how anyone would have possibly heard us, as we weren't even being crazy loud) and expressed my true regret at my actions, was humble and polite, and apologized to the officer for being stupid. I explained that I had LE in the family, and he would see the FOP family memeber card in my wallet if he looked.

He let me out in front of the PD, and told me to have a nice walk home (35 or 40 degrees, no coat, 2 miles from the house, in a not terribly nice area.)

**gratewhitehuntr** · 07-30-2009, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by smokelaw1

Thanks. Failure to comply WITH WHAT, though. He had shown ID, and according to what I have read, he was yelling at the officer as the officer left the house, and even once on the front porch. Did he fail to comply with the order to stop yelling at him? OK...is that arrestable? Interesting.

I've seen it happen. *

the person also got hit with some OC in the process

if you want to act stupid inside the house that is one thing
if you take it outside it's another

*the charges were dropped but it was still VOP
(back to the cage with you !!!)

**smokelaw1** · 07-30-2009, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

*the charges were dropped but it was still VOP
(back to the cage with you !!!)

Wait, charges were dropped, but the arrest itself was enough to VOP him back to jail? That's a bit harsh, isn't it? If the arrest didn't have the teeth to press the charges, why VOP him? Again, I don't have all the facts, so it could have been completely reasonable.

**gratewhitehuntr** · 07-30-2009, 03:11 PM

or maybe the guy could have backed down

Why do people refuse to back down even when it is clearly in their best interest.

Can't serving your own best interest foster positive self esteem?

**smokelaw1** · 07-30-2009, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

or maybe the guy could have backed down

Why do people refuse to back down even when it is clearly in their best interest.

Can't serving your own best interest foster positive self esteem?

Oh, he COULD have....maybe even SHOULD have...but did he HAVE TO? Should one's life be ruined (made MORE ruined?) by being VOP'ed for doing something that you shouldn't even get popped for?
Why don't they? Because people, in general, are stupid. When angry, I am very, very stupid. I say things I don't mean, and do things I wish I hadn't. I've been working on it for the past 20 years or so...and am getting better.

**Slartibartfast** · 07-30-2009, 03:23 PM

YouTube - Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - I Won't Back Down

**JimmyHAD** · 07-30-2009, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

or maybe the guy could have backed down

Why do people refuse to back down even when it is clearly in their best interest.

Can't serving your own best interest foster positive self esteem?

Remember the scene in The Maltese Falcon where the Casper Gutmann character tells Sam Spade something like,"In the heat of action a man may forget where his best interests lie".

It is not hard to understand that a black man will get easily upset and over react when he perceives racial bias real or imagined.

I remember once in the early sixties I was in a car going from Miami to NY. This was before the expressways were completed and a lot of the route was through the small towns along the way.

In northern Florida I saw a billboard in front of a little country store that read, "NO N-word, dogs or Jews Allowed."

I had never seen such overt racism and antisemitism before. I was burning with rage and I wanted to go in there and beat the tar out of whoever was responsible for putting that up there. I was 13 years old then and I've seen a lot of it since.

I still burn sometimes when I perceive that sort of attitude or action and I'm not black. So I have a certain empathy for Gates even though I think he is a pompous ass. IME if you give a cop enough grief you'll get some back so the results were predictable.

I think the president made a mistake in addressing it in the press conference and this get together is probably misguided as well. It would be nice if it turns out that they shake hands and really put this unfortunate incident behind them.

**Oglethorpe** · 07-30-2009, 03:59 PM

I'm so sick of the "race card" in expression and practice. There are racist people in the world, but there is such an over-exaggeration of prejudice on a "macro-social scale" (for lack of a better phrase), at least in America.

The honorable professor ran his mouth to gain national attention, and now the cop has to spend his life trying to beat the fact that he was once labeled a racist. It's complete BS.

So, while I would have probably not singled out one race in particular, I am 100% with GWH on this one. It's precisely BECAUSE the professor was black that this got so much attention, however, it is not BECAUSE he was black that he was singled out in the arrest. It's because he was acting like an EDIT: *censored*.

**igitur55** · 07-30-2009, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Oglethorpe

The honorable professor ran his mouth to gain national attention, and now the cop has to spend his life trying to beat the fact that he was once labeled a racist. It's complete BS.

I don't think so. It helps to remember that both professor and policeman are human beings. I can't imagine getting off a 20-hour flight from China and wanting to get hauled off my porch and spending the night in a cell "to gain national attention", can you? I can't imagine that this attention is enjoyable for either party, or the 9-1-1 caller, as it turns out.

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