Thread: Perhaps Prayer Isn't the Best Medicine

Originally Posted by Oglethorpe

2 things:

1. I was being kind of sarcastic about the vegetarian thing - along the lines of Quick's post. Basically saying that I like to eat meat.

2. Your argument is based entirely on the fact that there is a god, which I don't believe to be true. So, for me, the argument is moot. My point was that I think it takes a certain level of arrogance for one religion (I'm not saying any one person in here is representative of a religion and I'm not singling anybody out) to tell another religion that what they're doing is wrong. It's all the more reason to do away with religion and just let people do what they want (just so long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's way of life).

V/R,
Ogie

!.Yeah i answered the same way I would wheither it was sarcasm or serious. Becuase with both tones you use behind the words, its still the same words and still requires the same answer.

2.The conditions on which you mooted my argument moot your own argument.
""It's all the more reason to do away with religion and just let people do what they want (just so long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's way of life).""

Anyone way of life, be it a human way, or an animal way.
You may think that A) nothing has a soul. or B)Humans have souls and thats it. As far as i know the soul is the source of life and because of the law of cause and effect anything that is alive must have a soul. Which means you can be put into an animal body and an naimal can beome human.

Killing an animal for any reason will cause stress and anxiety to that animal, you can do it in the most brutal fashion with highest stress and anxiety, or you can minimise it to the lowest point on the spectrum but it will still casue some stress and anxiety. I think this stress and anxiety flows out through the waves of energy of the universe and is goverened by karmic law. Many of these animals being slaughtered this moment probably died as humans who consumed meat right up until their death and did not clear their karma.

If I was asked to give someone one reason not to eat meat I wouldnt use morallity first, I would say that it is posionous to your system. But a close second is the morality of causing stress and anxiety to another creature which IMO will also poison you in other ways and you will feel the effects.

Those are my views, I see no reason not to state them.

+1 on the V/R
Best Regards,
Greg

Originally Posted by GregJDS

As far as i know the soul is the source of life and because of the law of cause and effect anything that is alive must have a soul. Which means you can be put into an animal body and an naimal can beome human.

Care to elaborate? (since we're already way off topic)

What I mean is, I'm not sure how you can just say "because of the law of cause and effect" XYZ can be true without explaining how it is true.

As far as I know, the law of cause and effect has nothing to do with the supernatural (nor does any other law that is representable through experiment and hard evidence).

Thanks

Although I truely belive that this Father is guilty in the worst way I also totally believe that we just started a slide down a very slippery slope...
Each person (in the USA) has the right to their belief, however "crazy" that might seem to us...

As I have always said you have every right to swing your arm around your head to your hearts content, until that arm connects with somebody else's nose....

This is a clear case of child neglect, and should have been treated that way before the girl died..

Originally Posted by Oglethorpe

Care to elaborate? (since we're already way off topic)

What I mean is, I'm not sure how you can just say "because of the law of cause and effect" XYZ can be true without explaining how it is true.

As far as I know, the law of cause and effect has nothing to do with the supernatural (nor does any other law that is representable through experiment and hard evidence).

Thanks

Ok, from my understanding the soul is like the source of a river, it flows through things.

Now my point was to illustrate that human souls are no different to animal souls or souls that exist within any living thing. In the same way you can have the same car radio in a mini, a salloon, a van, a truck, etc...

Anywat the reason i stated the law of cause and effect is because i think that works also with a river, If there is water flowing there must be a source. If there is life flowing there must be a soul.
The reason for this being said was to show that you said things are ok so long as you dont interfere with the way of life of anyone. I am saying that the one in anyone is the soul as it is the one thing that is the same for all living things, it is the mass common denominator, because we come in all shapes and sizes but this soul is the exact same in each. And that this applies just as much to any living thing as it does to humans.

By interfere in their way of life you mean cause them hassle, stress, distract from the quality or ammount of life they possess etc. right?

Ok so back to how its possible, well again as far as my knowledge goes, the soul is the anti-material particle that balances against all the rest which is material. All soul forms are eternal, all material forms are temporary. This is how the balance exists(again as far as my knowledge tells me).

This video does some explaining
The Spark of Life - KrishnaTube.com -- Hare Krishna Video Sharing Community

How, then, do you explain the increasing of global population? Where do the souls of the previously non-existent come from?

And, do plants have souls? Or if animals have souls, what then do you say about predators/carnivores?

If not, why not? Do they not consume (H2O, CO2) and expel (O2) in the traditional sense of life-measuring? IOW, the same way we consume (food, water) and expel (CO2, excrement)? Aren't some plant species known to infect, or expand, suffocate and kill (certain ivies, etc.)?

Venus fly traps?

And what evidence is there that any of this is even possible? Can you measure a soul (weigh, quantify, etc)?


For the record, I couldn't disagree more with what you're saying here, but I am perfectly cool with people believing whatever they want. So, if you will, allow me to play devil's advocate and ask a bunch of questions for more information. I am interested...

Originally Posted by Oglethorpe

How, then, do you explain the increasing of global population? Where do the souls of the previously non-existent come from?
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Extinct animal life (see Dodo reference above)?

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Extinct animal life (see Dodo reference above)?

so THAT's what happened to the Dodo.....



EDIT: Sure explains a whole lot of the people I interact with daily....

Dr Funkenstein, you clearly have no soul.


But you sure as hell got da funk! Yeh!

As long as God isn't vegan, I'm good

The important distinction to make between heroin, serial killing, and eating meat is that I enjoy eating meat and not the former two. Therefore, God wants us to eat meat and doesn't want us to do that stuff that I don't like. Duh

Originally Posted by Oglethorpe

How, then, do you explain the increasing of global population? Where do the souls of the previously non-existent come from?

And, do plants have souls? Or if animals have souls, what then do you say about predators/carnivores?

If not, why not? Do they not consume (H2O, CO2) and expel (O2) in the traditional sense of life-measuring? IOW, the same way we consume (food, water) and expel (CO2, excrement)? Aren't some plant species known to infect, or expand, suffocate and kill (certain ivies, etc.)?

Venus fly traps?

And what evidence is there that any of this is even possible? Can you measure a soul (weigh, quantify, etc)?


For the record, I couldn't disagree more with what you're saying here, but I am perfectly cool with people believing whatever they want. So, if you will, allow me to play devil's advocate and ask a bunch of questions for more information. I am interested...

"How, then, do you explain the increasing of global population? Where do the souls of the previously non-existent come from?"
Multiple universes constantly swapping souls between many planets with many types of form for these soul to inhabit, to whichever best suits their needs. Also souls are constantly coming and going from the spirit world(anti material world) to the material world. No shortage of souls because the spirit world is unlimited.

"And, do plants have souls?" - Yes , I was told that the soul of a plant exists where the root meets the stem. Centring the polar opposites around the soul that gives it life.
"Or if animals have souls, what then do you say about predators/carnivores?" - These have souls also, Not exactly a reward to be given one of these bodies. Human life is the best as its simpler, more of your needs are catered for and you have more chance to understand and learn. Less anxiety as a human, sprit world is called "Vaikuntha", "vai" meaning "free from" and "kuntha" meaning "anxiety". And as animals are lower than humans they tend to experience more anxiety in their natural lives. Thats not really including the huge and excessive unnatural anxiteies humans can create though for themselves. The animals experience anxiety more consistantly each day, like dogs for example wont get the best sleep because they are always lacking knowledge of whats going on, so they are never 100% sure if its safe to sleep or not.


"If not, why not? Do they not consume (H2O, CO2) and expel (O2) in the traditional sense of life-measuring? IOW, the same way we consume (food, water) and expel (CO2, excrement)? Aren't some plant species known to infect, or expand, suffocate and kill (certain ivies, etc.)?"
-- All these material things come in contact with bodies and are given life or processed and passed on back in the cycle of temporary material things. Take skin cells for example, they retain life until they pass beyond the field of the soul, and then I think they remain dead for a while on the surface before they get rubbed off, im pretty sure a certain thickness of skin is actually dead.

These are the best answers I can come up with based on what I know so far.