Thread: Debunking Dangerously Deceitful Dogma

Originally Posted by VeeDubb65

I don't consider myself a "theistic evolutionist" yet I firmly belive in God and most Christian teachings, while also believing in the big bang and evolution.

You must have a very interesting definition for "theistic evolutionist". I'd like to know it please.

Originally Posted by VeeDubb65

It is the height of arrogance for anyone to say that they are 100% certain about the ancient past. Even Steven Hawking, who is far more inteligent and clever than anyone involved in this discussion, including me, does not claim absolute certainty.

Yes. Being absolutely certain is a religious trait.

Originally Posted by VeeDubb65

Since we cannot claim certainty, we must take the things which are of the most value. The biblical story of creation can provide greater understanding of our relationship with God, while the theories of evolution and the big bang can provide greater understanding of the physical working of the universe we live in.

Both have value, and I sincerely pitty anyone who is so blinded by arrogance that they cannot see the value in both.

I just had a quick look at creation myths, I love the Maori one:

The Māori creation myth tells how heaven and earth were once joined as Ranginui, the Sky Father and Papatuanuku, the Earth Mother, lay together in a tight embrace. They had many children who lived in the darkness between them. The children wished to live in the light and so separated their unwilling parents. Ranginui and Papatuanuku continue to grieve for each other to this day. Rangi's tears fall as rain towards Papatuanuku to show how much he loves her. When mist rises from the forests, these are Papa's sighs as the warmth of her body yearns for him and continues to nurture mankind.

Tell me, what is the "value" of this, apart from being a fantastic and beautiful story? Whatever your answer to that is, is that enough to make the story true?

Finally, I won't go into mentioning those I pity. That would be rude.