Thread: HealthCare Speech - What did you think?

Originally Posted by gssixgun

The bottom line is the bottom line....

WE CAN"T AFFORD IT !!!!

Period end of story....

It will pay for itself reminds me of the old days of Solar, LMAO when they would sell a system that would pay for itself in ten years, but forgot to tell you the the panels only lasted eight before needing replacing.....

Never forget numbers never lie, only people lie and OMG "YOU LIE" was never so true....

WE CAN"T AFFORD IT...

And from a practical stand point this also nails it for me!

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Maybe if we get the hell out of Iraq and leave mars to the Martians that would help pay for some of it. It always gets me when it is said that we can't afford social programs but we can spend a billion a week on a needless war without batting an eye or whatever it is to shoot rockets out into space when there is no habitable planet within reach.

To add to your point (World Military Spending — Global Issues), we spend 48% of all the world's expenditures on military spending... Is that really necessary?

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Maybe if we get the hell out of Iraq

Well we should have voted in someone who promised to get us out immediately.

Oh wait:

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama said Tuesday (jan 30, 2007) U.S. combat forces should be out of Iraq by spring 2008 to end “a foreign policy disaster,” but he stopped short of endorsing a cutoff in funds.

What happened?

The other problem I see is that the federal government is Constitutionally charged with the duty of national defense, not healthcare insurance

Originally Posted by commiecat

How can we afford imperialism but not health care?

If by "we" you mean the US federal government, then we can't. We can't afford half of what we spend. You could eliminate the US military and we'd still be spending more money than is collected

Originally Posted by commiecat

Our deficit is like $11 trillion(?) without a national heath care system. $11T and no national health care, or $11.9T with national health care?

This is the kind of reasoning that leads up to $11T debt. The current total debt should not dictate what we can spend so much as the current budget deficit. If there is any money leftover this year AFTER expenses, THEN let's talk about what new things to spend it on. In the meantime, the government should be streamlined to only provide what it can actually pay for. If it can't provide it all, then let it raise taxes, import fees, etc. or let the private sector provide it

Originally Posted by richmondesi

To add to your point (World Military Spending — Global Issues), we spend 48% of all the world's expenditures on military spending... Is that really necessary?

If one wishes to remain a free and sovereign country, it is. Which begs the question: Are we a free and sovereign nation still?

Originally Posted by JMS

If one wishes to remain a free and sovereign country, it is. Which begs the question: Are we a free and sovereign nation still?

I'll leave this alone. Thanks

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

The other problem I see is that the federal government is Constitutionally charged with the duty of national defense, not healthcare insurance

Slightly off-topic:

Well the issue is that some people consider having troops halfway across the world as "national defense". I'd say that's more of an offense than defense, personally. The other issue is that if we're going by the Constitution, then our troops should have never been there in the first place because there still has not been a declaration of war.

Originally Posted by commiecat

Slightly off-topic:

Well the issue is that some people consider having troops halfway across the world as "national defense". I'd say that's more of an offense than defense, personally. The other issue is that if we're going by the Constitution, then our troops should have never been there in the first place because there still has not been a declaration of war.

So why hasn't our leader seen fit to pull them out as he promised? Maybe a promise doesn't mean anything to him, or possibly there is a need to have them there beyond the info we civilians have received.

Which is it? I don't know. Do you?

Originally Posted by commiecat

if we're going by the Constitution

I wish we would. If it needs to be amended, then let's amend it instead of ignoring it.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

The bottom line is the bottom line....

WE CAN"T AFFORD IT !!!!

Period end of story....

Well, you (the US) couldn't afford the war in Iraq either. That didn't stop it from happening though.

Originally Posted by JMS

If one wishes to remain a free and sovereign country, it is. Which begs the question: Are we a free and sovereign nation still?

That is so true. Iraq clearly didn't spend enough, and look what happened to them