Thread: impact on healthcare

Originally Posted by honedright

Most of the members here at SRP seem to share the "if I can do it, anyone can" philosophy. Just read the Newbies forum.

Call it sophism or rhetoric. I call it positive thinking and believe I am in good company here.

And what exactly does that adds to the discussion? "If I can hone a razor, you can pay 300 000$ for the treatment of your lymph nodes cancer"? I don't see the logic. Alike people hang out together and think the same? That's sheep mentality.
“If everybody's thinking alike, somebody isn't thinking.”
General George S. Patton WWI-WWII American General

With that logic, positive thinking is fallacious thinking.

I call that beatitude.

Originally Posted by v76

And what exactly does that adds to the discussion? "If I can hone a razor, you can pay 300 000$ for the treatment of your lymph nodes cancer"? I don't see the logic. Alike people hang out together and think the same? That's sheep mentality.
“If everybody's thinking alike, somebody isn't thinking.”
General George S. Patton WWI-WWII American General

With that logic, positive thinking is fallacious thinking.

I call that beatitude.

Huh...party politics comes to mind.

Cancer isn't in a party. But hey, I'll give it a rest... take care.

Well the problem is: #1 though they keep talking about the health plan we don't know what the plan really is so it's hard to know what the deal is. #2 young people like in their 20s and 30s don't give a rats butt because they have no use for insurance in their minds because they never get sick and never will. #3 people with good insurance plans don't need it and many are afraid it will impact their access to MDs with all these additional people and #4 people on medicare fear cuts and #5 there is a sizeable group of people who just hate the government and if Obama announced everyone in the U.S would get a check for ten grand from the government no strings attached they would be against that so, who does that leave who are in favor of a health care overhaul?

To get this thread back on the topic I started lets get back to the real problem.The american gluttionous lifestyle.Every year tobacco related illness kills nearly half a million people.type 2 diabetes wich is brought on by a overindulging and doscile lyfestyle kills a couple hundred thousand liver disease kills quiet a number of people also.these are a couple of examples and they are all preventable.Around a million people a year die because of these lifestyles.It does not matter weather we make health care more affordable or not.It will make no difference wether the are more doctors,nurses,hospitals either these people will still die.Sickness and diseases related to the indulgences alone have a tremendous impact on the cost of health care costs for everyone.Countries that have universal health care do have longer longevity.this is not solely because they cover everyone but because the people of those countries do not live the indulging lifestyles to the excess that we do.If I am wrong prove it.It is my belief that if we truly want to reform health care we willalso need reform on our luxurious life styles we live.There is nothing we can do to help the middle aged and elderly but maybe our children can have healthier longer lives in the future.The problem as I see it is asking the american people to forgo the excessive indulgences of today for the health of tomorrow.Without a reform on our lifestyles then a reform on health care will not be sucessfull.It all starts with us.The choice is ours.

Originally Posted by spanx

To get this thread back on the topic I started lets get back to the real problem.The american gluttionous lifestyle.Every year tobacco related illness kills nearly half a million people.type 2 diabetes wich is brought on by a overindulging and doscile lyfestyle kills a couple hundred thousand liver disease kills quiet a number of people also.these are a couple of examples and they are all preventable.Around a million people a year die because of these lifestyles.It does not matter weather we make health care more affordable or not.It will make no difference wether the are more doctors,nurses,hospitals either these people will still die.Sickness and diseases related to the indulgences alone have a tremendous impact on the cost of health care costs for everyone.Countries that have universal health care do have longer longevity.this is not solely because they cover everyone but because the people of those countries do not live the indulging lifestyles to the excess that we do.If I am wrong prove it.It is my belief that if we truly want to reform health care we willalso need reform on our luxurious life styles we live.There is nothing we can do to help the middle aged and elderly but maybe our children can have healthier longer lives in the future.The problem as I see it is asking the american people to forgo the excessive indulgences of today for the health of tomorrow.Without a reform on our lifestyles then a reform on health care will not be sucessfull.It all starts with us.The choice is ours.

I'm not gonna bother looking up numbers because football is on, but I'd guess that there is a larger percentage of the population that smokes in some European countries than the US.

The eating thing is an issue, but I think it's independent of health care reform. Sure, poor eating can lead to disorders, but I think that health care reform is more about providing affordable options rather than fixing some common disease causes.

I'm fortunate in that I eat healthy. Growing up we had home-cooked meals instead of fast food. My wife enjoys cooking and I enjoy eating, so it's a good relationship. I've only been to a few cities in Spain and Italy, but they all seemed to eat local food and I think that would be a good step for America -- but part of the problem is that we're such a large nation both in area and population.

We don't eat fast food or at Sysco-stocked restaurants. We shop at local markets when possible and almost always get grass-fed and/or organic meats. If you ever want to read some disturbing information, look up how corn affects cows. Corn-fed sounds like a good, natural thing but you'd be surprised.

Originally Posted by commiecat

I'm not gonna bother looking up numbers because football is on, but I'd guess that there is a larger percentage of the population that smokes in some European countries than the US.

The numbers are actually receding fast in the old members... I still see smokers every day, but nothing compared to 5 years ago. When I stopped smoking 3 years ago, roughly a third of my department were heavy smokers. Today the smokers account for 5% of my department and we didn't grow six-fold. I know it is anecdotal evidence

Without looking up the numbers by country, I would guess that the majority of smokers in Europe are currently in the ex Eastern Block countries, in the UK and in the Mediterranean countries.

Originally Posted by commiecat

The eating thing is an issue, but I think it's independent of health care reform. Sure, poor eating can lead to disorders, but I think that health care reform is more about providing affordable options rather than fixing some common disease causes.

Poor eating does lead to serious disorders. The nutritional gap in America it's not yet at the same level as the gap between South and North Korea or West and East Germany at the reunification... but you can already start seeing the effect in the form of obesity and nutrient deficiencies. Cheap, poor quality, food is saturated with HFCS/fat/salt to make it taste palatable... couple that with the most sedentary lifestyle ever and you get a recipe for health troubles.

again i agree we need to take better care of ourselves and try to live a more healthy lifestyle, but i do not think that is gonna happen anytime soon. one more comment about healthcare, look to the state of massachusetts and also here in tennessee where we have what is called tenncare which was sculptured after the clintons plan, both are dismal failures and the cost overruns are breaking the budgets in both states. this will happen nationwide if this proposed plan takes place. i know the bill is nowhere near completed(rough drafts only), but if it is left up to politicians, either party, it will be bad.