Thread: impact on healthcare

Originally Posted by honedright

Do you really believe that this is all about the government caring about our health??

This is about power and control. If our government stayed within it's legal role as defined by our Constitution, many government bureaucrats would be out of a job.

Don't be fooled, this isn't about health care, it's about government expansion.

Maybe I'm a cynic. I think it is more about the power of big business in the form of the insurance companies, pharmaceuticals, and related industries. It isn't that simple and of course there is genuine and heartfelt ideology on both sides of the issue.

Call it socialism or whatever you want to but I believe the American people as a whole would be way better off if we had the same health care they do in most of the rest of the industrialized world. If you don't believe that I don't think you have anything to worry about. I would bet a Livi Damascus to a donut that health care legislation in this country is D.O.A. They've won again.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Well, lets take your argument to the locical conclusion that everything someone in authority deems dangerous should be made illegal. No guns-how many are shot and wounded by guns, no cars-how many are maimed and injured in accidents, no alcohol-a big no no, no knives of any kind-how many are injured by knives in the home and outside. Of course close down all the fast food and donut joints in America. We could go on and on.

Well what do you have? We could all be living under muslim law like the Taaliban want.

Yes you are right.We could have imposed all these restrictions on life and in doing so could have increased our longevity.Also it could have prevented the health care issues we see today.We chose to have freedom of choice on how we choose to live our lives and this is the future of those choices.We as americans want our cake and eat it too,but in the end there is no escaping the past.

With the greatest respect to your friend, but why does he not have health care coverage? When I left college I got a job selling cars to have health insurance while waiting to go to med school. I heard a truck driver making $60K complaining on TV because his insurance costs $8K a year. Well sometimes sacrifices must be made. The new plan intends to cut doctors pay essentially which with my debt, I completely oppose. If anything insurance is a multi-billion industry that should be required to make less profits because the newest generation of doctors are making less. Prostate cancer is horrible, and your friend could go to any number of academic indigent hospitals and get his care as many people do. I personally pay about $2800/year and double that because my school matches it and I am single. Besides I have heard people get upset about paying for insurance that live in $500K homes and drive new SUV's. All this is to say, does your friend choose not to pay for coverage, or was it truly to expensive? Either way, I feel sorry for him, but I have friends too that don't have coverage also, but they chose professions without benefits and were perfectly capable of going to college (tuition free in Georgia if a student works hard) and getting a job with benefits.
Government is not the answer to this problem. Besides if welfare was cut about 90% and most of the federal government was cut about 90% then the US would be a better place. FOr those who forget, the country is the United States, therefore put the power back into the States hands and not a bunch of corrupt congressmen who could care less about you (and I mean both Republicans and Democrats).

amen, well spoken and true

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

That being that if I do become sick enough to lose the insurance

I'm sorry. But am I the only one that has a problem with the fact that they can do this?

Originally Posted by LX_Emergency

I'm sorry. But am I the only one that has a problem with the fact that they can do this?

No, that's how they make their money. When you're healthy, the insurance companies are your friend. When you're sick and pose a financial risk, they raise your premiums, make you jump through hoops to get reimbursed, and say "I'm sorry, your sickness isn't really a sickness by our definition so we're not paying for that treatment."

It's not about goverment control -- it's about corporate control. For some reason there are people who love their private insurance so much that they cannot bear to stand them having to compete with an affordable option.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

I'll tell that to my friend too. I'm sure it will comfort him.

What your friend and a other people want is somebody else to pay for their health insurance. Tell him that he gambled (by not buying insurance) and he lost.

Originally Posted by Navaja

What your friend and a other people want is somebody else to pay for their health insurance. Tell him that he gambled (by not buying insurance) and he lost.

Wow. I bet you really know this person and know their circumstances. A simple case of gambling, huh?

I'm sure the millions of uninsured citizens just love not being insured -- it's fun being risky! Unemployed citizens. Low income families. People with debilitating diseases who can't get insurance in the first place because of their risk factor. They do it because they're just gamblers havin' fun!

What if we were to privatize our police and fire departments and you couldn't get assistance unless you paid an exorbitant monthly fee? We have no issues saying that all citizens deserve education and protection. But offer them an affordable health care plan? Why, that's socialist!

It's not health care, but as a Floridian do you know what State Farm did after we had some hurricanes a few years back? They packed up and left the state. That's what insurance is all about -- they treat you very differently as soon as you're a risk.

Originally Posted by Navaja

What your friend and a other people want is somebody else to pay for their health insurance. Tell him that he gambled (by not buying insurance) and he lost.

Antonio, google Nelson Rockefeller. He was Governor of NY, vice president of the USA and ran for president more than once.

He famously said,"There is no such thing as a free lunch." With gov sponsored health care everyone pays but the pool is much larger. Put your anti communist ideology aside for a moment and realize that the USA pays way more for way less then other countries in the worldwide health care department.

Originally Posted by Navaja

What your friend and a other people want is somebody else to pay for their health insurance. Tell him that he gambled (by not buying insurance) and he lost.

Is it really gambling if the costs are so high that you can't afford them, or if the insurance company boots you out?