Thread: impact on healthcare

Originally Posted by honedright

Do you really believe that this is all about the government caring about our health??

This is about power and control. If our government stayed within it's legal role as defined by our Constitution, many government bureaucrats would be out of a job.

Don't be fooled, this isn't about health care, it's about government expansion.

I'll tell that to my friend too. I'm sure it will comfort him.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

I'll tell that to my friend too. I'm sure it will comfort him.

What your friend and a other people want is somebody else to pay for their health insurance. Tell him that he gambled (by not buying insurance) and he lost.

Originally Posted by Navaja

What your friend and a other people want is somebody else to pay for their health insurance. Tell him that he gambled (by not buying insurance) and he lost.

Wow. I bet you really know this person and know their circumstances. A simple case of gambling, huh?

I'm sure the millions of uninsured citizens just love not being insured -- it's fun being risky! Unemployed citizens. Low income families. People with debilitating diseases who can't get insurance in the first place because of their risk factor. They do it because they're just gamblers havin' fun!

What if we were to privatize our police and fire departments and you couldn't get assistance unless you paid an exorbitant monthly fee? We have no issues saying that all citizens deserve education and protection. But offer them an affordable health care plan? Why, that's socialist!

It's not health care, but as a Floridian do you know what State Farm did after we had some hurricanes a few years back? They packed up and left the state. That's what insurance is all about -- they treat you very differently as soon as you're a risk.

Originally Posted by Navaja

What your friend and a other people want is somebody else to pay for their health insurance. Tell him that he gambled (by not buying insurance) and he lost.

Antonio, google Nelson Rockefeller. He was Governor of NY, vice president of the USA and ran for president more than once.

He famously said,"There is no such thing as a free lunch." With gov sponsored health care everyone pays but the pool is much larger. Put your anti communist ideology aside for a moment and realize that the USA pays way more for way less then other countries in the worldwide health care department.

Originally Posted by Navaja

What your friend and a other people want is somebody else to pay for their health insurance. Tell him that he gambled (by not buying insurance) and he lost.

Is it really gambling if the costs are so high that you can't afford them, or if the insurance company boots you out?

I have purchased health plans for under $200.00 per month. Some cost more. It just depends on the type of coverage you want or need. But there are some very affordable plans available. If cutting back on other expenses, living below your means, or selling everything you own is what it takes to get help, or save your life, then do it.

But health insurance is not the only option:

I have worked out cash payment plans with doctors at times when I've had no health insurance. Many doctors will work very favorably with their patients, you just have to ask them. We make payments for expensive cars, boats, motorcycles, and houses, why not doctor bills?

Many teaching hospitals have low or no-cost clinics.

Originally Posted by honedright

I have purchased health plans for under $200.00 per month. Some cost more. It just depends on the type of coverage you want or need. But there are some very affordable plans available. If cutting back on other expenses, living below your means, or selling everything you own is what it takes to get help, or save your life, then do it.

But health insurance is not the only option:

I have worked out cash payment plans with doctors at times when I've had no health insurance. Many doctors will work very favorably with their patients, you just have to ask them. We make payments for expensive cars, boats, motorcycles, and houses, why not doctor bills?

Many teaching hospitals have low or no-cost clinics.

Are you healthy? Do you have a debilitating disease? Are you below the poverty line and/or unemployed? Do you have a family to support?

What makes you think that the people who would qualify for the public option have "expensive cars, boats, motorcycles and houses"? Can't afford a car? Use public transportation. Can't afford a house? Look into low income housing. Can't afford health care? Well then you're S.O.L.

Your first point is basically, "If I can do it then everybody else can." But when every other industrialized nation in the world can make national health care work, suddenly we have to be the exception. Do you work for BC/BS or something?

Originally Posted by commiecat

Are you healthy? Do you have a debilitating disease? Are you below the poverty line and/or unemployed? Do you have a family to support?

What makes you think that the people who would qualify for the public option have "expensive cars, boats, motorcycles and houses"? Can't afford a car? Use public transportation. Can't afford a house? Look into low income housing. Can't afford health care? Well then you're S.O.L.

Your first point is basically, "If I can do it then everybody else can." But when every other industrialized nation in the world can make national health care work, suddenly we have to be the exception. Do you work for BC/BS or something?

Yes, if I can do it anyone can. What makes you think I'm so different from anyone else?

What is BC/BS?

Originally Posted by honedright

Yes, if I can do it anyone can. What makes you think I'm so different from anyone else?

What is BC/BS?

Since this a well-moderated forum full of helpful members, I'll just say that your quoted response was, well, both stupefying and enlightening. Have fun applying that logic here in the real world.

BC/BS = Blue Cross / Blue Shield, a health care provider.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Is it really gambling if the costs are so high that you can't afford them, or if the insurance company boots you out?

Or my personal favorite (first hand experience, 17 years ago): when the mandatory basic insurance forced on me to subscribe to an university as a foreign student cost way more than my comprehensive insurance and they told me upfront that they'll refuse to cover anything serious thanks to pre-existing conditions. It even got funnier when I discovered that contractual issues rendered my comprehensive insurance useless as I had a local insurance.