Thread: What do you think will happen when...

Originally Posted by krisbarger

Reform>>>> Must Be!!! If not, We are screwed!!

Government Control>>>>> Must not be!!! If so, We are screwed!!!

"We are from the government and we are here to help."--The most frightening words in the United States!

Governments have always grown out of control. From the dawn of time they were put there out of need, but they grow into a mother that eats her own children. It is a never ending cycle.

Originally Posted by MinniesMate

Thanks for the link sparq.

Think about this: This bill will increase the covered from 83% to 96% at a cost of $829,000,000,000. That means the bill will spend $829,000,000,000 to cover 11% of the people that are in the U.S. legally, including those that make up that 11% and are U.S. citizens. That is roughly 39,000,000 people added to the ranks of the insured.

That means this bill will cost $21,256.41/person to insure over a 10 year period. This doesn't even make sense because that is $2,1256/person/year. There is no way that you can insure a person for $2,000/year. This is the problem with the CBO; their numbers don't work in the real world. It is also the problem with the politicians in Washington. They use misleading numbers to support their side.

You can absolutly insure a single person for less th 2000 a year.case in point I pay 165 a month multiply by 12 it comes out to1,970 dollars. That is what I pay with no employer help.My wife pays a little over 200 a month for employer sponsered health plan.My coverages are better and my deductable is lower.Maybe we should just do away with employer based healthcare.Then again maybe this is a big city problem.Big city living requires big city money.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

It finally sinks in to the average person in this country that they will have to shell out 400-500 each and every month for most of the rest of their lives for health premiums once the healthcare bill passes? (and that's with gov't subsidies) Think that will cut into the beer budget for most?

It's a good thing i don't drink alot of beer.

Here's a thought granted it's not a good one.Maybe this health care bill in conjunction with all the other recent spending including prevoius administration is to ensure the demise of the dollar in order to pave the way for a one world currancy.

Originally Posted by MinniesMate

"We are from the government and we are here to help."--The most frightening words in the United States!

RELAX, don't worry, be happy big brother is here to take complete control. just hand over your paycheck and set back and let the good times roll. after all this is what americans voted for isn't it? "be careful what you wish for, it just might come true" that just about says it all

Originally Posted by spanx

Here's a thought granted it's not a good one.Maybe this health care bill in conjunction with all the other recent spending including prevoius administration is to ensure the demise of the dollar in order to pave the way for a one world currancy.

In other words, those that have desired it and have the power to make it happen have been setting the stage to purposely bankrupt the U.S. leaving the U.S. seemingly no other choice but to acquiesce in this way?

When I was half my age, twenty, I would have been horrified at the thought that such a thing was even possible in my lifetime. I'm still horrified at heart, but such a change seems probable now.

Chris L

Originally Posted by ChrisL

In other words, those that have desired it and have the power to make it happen have been setting the stage to purposely bankrupt the U.S. leaving the U.S. seemingly no other choice but to acquiesce in this way?

When I was half my age, twenty, I would have been horrified at the thought that such a thing was even possible in my lifetime. I'm still horrified at heart, but such a change seems probable now.

Chris L

I believe this to be so.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

It finally sinks in to the average person in this country that they will have to shell out 400-500 each and every month for most of the rest of their lives for health premiums once the healthcare bill passes? (and that's with gov't subsidies) Think that will cut into the beer budget for most?

People on Social Security will start contributing in 2010.

They're already loosing the yearly cost of living adjustment.

But no, this is neither a Tax Increase nor a Benefits Reduction, it's only less pocket money for the retirees.

Originally Posted by Navaja

They're already loosing the yearly cost of living adjustment.

But no, this is neither a Tax Increase nor a Benefits Reduction, it's only less pocket money for the retirees.

If I am not totally mistaken, the COLA is based on the difference of CPI-W between last year's 3rd trimester and this year's 3rd trimester. This year, the calculation results in a negative COLA but you can't decrease the benefits... ergo no increase this year. You'd have needed massive inflation before the end of September to get a COLA increase.

Yes, I know that the metric used for the calculation sucks as it doesn't represent the average shopping basket of a retiree. That works both ways, that means that for the last decade the retirees received living cost adjustments based on the price increase of goods they didn't buy.