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As the saying goes "Those that are ignorant to history are doomed to repeat it"....
Ya know why even bother, You believe in that Utopian society that the government will give you and I'll believe in what I want ...
These conversations have gotten old anyway nowadays there are just to many of them....
Being a History Major I'm well aware of history in a great way. As for your statistic, 48% of the American People think Obama is the anti christ plotting a course to a new world order. I have to question your source. Now if you are interpreting a poll to your liking, then that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
It most certainly can happen here, Reagan and Bush and their thugs proved how close we can come to that mentality. I'm just not so sure which side of the argument the nut jobs hoarding ammunition and burying guns and looking for black helicopters is on. The guy in the video seems to have an inside knowledge that no one else seems to possess and that combined with the outrageous claims he is making tends to make me call B.S.
Why is a rational look at the facts and summations to the contrary mean everyone is looking at some Utopian, bleary eyed society? Why is the thought process so polar? Can no one think beyond two dimensional thought processes? Either it's I'm supposed to believe we are about to be branded and sold like cattle or I'm living in some dream world like the Matrix. You ever hear of here and there and the places located in between?Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
And by the way I re-read my reply to your post and I apologize for the tone. I didn't mean for it sound so condescending. I was trying to use sarcasm to make a point, but I think it might read more like I am demeaning your for your point of view. Which I am not. I think paranoia is running amok, but with that said, sometimes the sky is falling.
I think the thing that scares me that most, honestly, is that there are people like you that actually think that some way this is all a good thing for the country...That truly scares me more than anything that the Government could ever do....
I mean seriously when do you think the bill will come due??? I mean I don't have kids, so I really don't care what the country is like in 50 years... I won't be around to see it, so maybe I should be all about "Gimme gimme gimme" where is my handout ??? $829 BILLION for health care woohoo baby you betcha gimme mine.... Global warming you betcha, hey who cares if the science shows otherwise, let's pay those poor countries off for our carbon footprint...
Let's have that big olé slice of American guilt and put some cheese on top please...
ps: I also need to make sure nothing I say is ever taken as a personal attack we are after just having a discussion ... and a rousing one at that...:)
Well that is assuming what the gentleman in the video says is true. I know he has a pleasant British accent, but he offers no other back up than just he thinks so.Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
It's people like you who scare me because you can always find the money to invade nations for no apparent reason and thump your chest in pride. Yet anything other expense is taken seriously. You also assume I am for this health care bill.
I am not. But it's just odd how your side wants to worry about money NOW. If we send young men to die for shady excuses and no good reason, then it's all fine and well. However, if someone wants to somehow cook up a plan to help the sick, whoa nelly. We gotta go kill some more foreigners, we need the money for that. Borrow money to help folks and not kill foreigners? That's just crazy talk. How has that made us any safer? A lot of brave people are putting it on the line daily for little gain in the end. That's what scares me.
This type of paranoia does, historically have a somewhat self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts. Until some liberal minded folks step in and put a halt to it with reason. If they don't, then it leads to chaos.
I'm an old Republican who voted Obama, and it's my humble opinion that the new Republican party is more scary than any alternatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
Under Bush, we had the September 11th attacks, the Katrina cleanup debacle, a massive financial collapse, an invasion not authorized by Congress, and the creation of a torture camp in Cuba.
Now I'll admit that I'm not fully caught up on everything Obama has done while in office, but as far as I know his major flaws are that he; called a cop "stupid", won a Nobel Peace Prize, failed to get Chicago the Olympics, and has pushed for national health care coverage.
I'm happy with my vote thus far. And as far as the thread's question; I call BS. Actually, anytime you pose a political question and it starts with "I got this in an email...", it's probably going to be BS. :)
Oh no! The Earth is coming to an end .... AGAIN!
Thanks to Bill Clinton for playing pattie-cakes for 8 years with terrorists - we got 9/11.
Thanks to the incompitent state and city government in New Orleans, not to mention that it was the hugest wealfare/social program financial rat hole to throw money down, for the Katrina mess.
Thanks again to ol' Slick Willie Clinton and his crew spending years shoving sub-prime mortgages down the banks' throats leading to their inevitable collapse.
Congress did approve the invasion.
And Club Gitmo was a virtual freakin' resort for terrorists.
:)
Oh ya, and we just got out of 6 of the most prosperous years that this country has ever had including nation wide record low unemployment.
That hope and change is really working out great!
Some black preacher on a news interview said that Obama was misunderstood, he said that he was going to bring 'Rope and Chains'.
:)
Who was President at the time?Quote:
Originally Posted by ControlFreak1
I was referring to FEMA, which is a federal agency.Quote:
Originally Posted by ControlFreak1
lol? When did Clinton leave office?Quote:
Originally Posted by ControlFreak1
Well you got one right. I misspoke by not using the phrase 'declaration of war.'Quote:
Originally Posted by ControlFreak1
I'm not even going to bother with this one. Everything good that happened was because of Bush. Everything bad was because of Clinton. Of course that same logic doesn't apply now, does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ControlFreak1
"Thanks to Bill Clinton for playing pattie-cakes for 8 years with terrorists - we got 9/11."
Thanks to Ronald Reagan for supplying Iraq and Iran with weapons and technology we have to face down today. Thank you Ronald Reagan for supplying fissile material and money to Korea for a nuclear reactor.
"Thanks again to ol' Slick Willie Clinton and his crew spending years shoving sub-prime mortgages down the banks' throats leading to their inevitable collapse."
Thank you Republican Congress who passed it into law and who profited from it. PS where does it say it was Clintons idea?
"Congress did approve the invasion."
Well that lets ole Bush off the hook for lying through his teeth doesn't it?
"Oh ya, and we just got out of 6 of the most prosperous years that this country has ever had including nation wide record low unemployment."
The result of which was a very rich 1 percent and one of the greatest economic collapses in the history of this nation. So, great job Republicans. You go boys.