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Having just finished the entire thread and reading the back and forth banter one might think that the two parties are both to blame and seem to be working together against the common good for unknown ulterior reasons. As someone once told me, "That much stupidity aint coincidental.".
It will be interesting to see what sort of seemingly eminent dramatic changes come quickly to this country.
I have no idea if the guy in the youtube post is talking truth or B.S.
In my opinion, ASSUMING or PRETENDING that he is IS talking the truth and some such thing does happen, I would hope beyond hope that those who dismissed such a possibility would at that time have the scales fall from their eyes and think/say "Wow.........it DID happen..........wow.....what do WE the citizenry do now, TOGETHER?
This country is so utterly polarized (how could such a thing NOT be intentional?). I just get the feeling that things that used to be done in the dark are being done in the open now. I've found myself actually welcoming the notion if it's eminent, for such a thing to become known. Why? At least then it would be out in the open. Us and them. Or, Us and it.
Chris L
I would like to think that the population would unite again if that was to happen. However, being realistic, the two extremes are too far apart now for reconciliation... that leaves the 60-ish % in the middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisL
Basically the ruling class has looked at a few examples of what can be achieved when you pit one extreme side of the population against the other extreme side of the population while ignoring the centrists... massive profits for the ruling class.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisL
This would be my hope as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelP
Chris L
That is really a problem with this acta treaty, as there seem to be no reliable information available. Spent some hours trying to find what it really is about, but all the pages seem to be more or less biased.Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelP
I've been watching this recent documentary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Ykb...eature=channel
Some interesting stuff related to this post.
Chris L
I agree completely with the whole radicalized thing. Even the parties themselves have become bloated caricatures of what they're supposed to be. The right was primarily for smaller gov't, less taxation, that sort of thing. Now they're this protector of all things that are supposedly free market, such as removing necessary regulation, defending companies like walmart, paranoia like that exampled in the in the opening video, imposing Christan values on everyone, ect.
Even comparing the "spokes people" of then and now shows how far the right has degraded. I wouldn't have minded meeting William F Buckley, even though I didn't always agree with him, he was a man you could respect. If Rush Limbaugh was about the fall off a building I'd give him an extra push to make sure he didn't hit anything that might break his fall on the way down... seriously. The man is repellent.
The left, the side I agreed with when I was younger, was, at least to me, more about enabling freedoms that weren't allowed at the time, but also restricting gov't and stopping things like unnecessary growth of police powers. Now its become political correctness, anti-smoking-let-the-state-tell-you-how-to-take-care-of-your-body, ect. That judge they just put on the supreme court is a perfect example of the worst of the left. Smug, self-righteous and dumb
I think all that is likely intentional too, both parties initially wanted to limit the powers and roles of Gov't, now they both want laws for everything, and don't really have a clear purpose (some are even contradictory). The core of what both parties originally stood for has been taken over by distracting minutiae.
"There is no distinctly American criminal class, except Congress." - Mark Twain
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected." - G.K.Chesterton
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill
"It is terrible to contemplete how few politicians are hanged." - G.K.Chesterton 1921
"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
Norman Mattoon Thomas
He was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.
Norman Thomas said this in a 1944 speech:
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism.
But, under the name of "liberalism," they will adopt every
fragment of the socialist program, until one day America
will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it
happened." He went on to say: "I no longer need to run as a
Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The
Democratic Party has adopted our platform."
Obama is President of a nation in which one out of every 6 Americans are living in poverty right now. This should serve as proof that you cannot tax people out of poverty; you can only tax them further in.
And maybe that is the goal; to end the "APPEARANCE" of poverty by making everyone (except the officials) equally poor.
But in the end, the main reason to oppose (with a club if need be) this new treaty is that it is based on a fraud. While the globalists may well have re-branded and changed their name to "Climate Change" we all remember how the initial push was because of "Human Caused Global Warming" and how anyone with eyes can look around at the 4500 records set for low temperature and snow in the US last weeks and understand that the forecasts cited to justify this new intrusion into our lives were 180 degrees out of whack with the real world.
What is needed in all our lives is far LESS Government, not more.
We should be very worried that Obama may sign away our national sovereignty, but in truth it is not his to give, and Americans are fully justified in viewing any such surrender as a treason against the Constitution and against the people to be opposed by any means possible.