Thread: A Health Care Scenario

Think about it.

Originally Posted by gregs656

Think about it.

I've thought about it. Your post is inapplicable to me and makes no sense.

i would like to chime in for a couple of reasons.
1. show me one program that the government is involved in that is not a complete and total mess.
2. i have the utmost respect for any man or woman that will give up a large part of their life training to become a doctor and i want that person to be paid highly for the skills that they acquire, because it may be me on that table when the surgeon walks in. i want the very best not someone that works by some government guidelines and pay scale.
also what i have seen and heard the last couple of days on this subject has not been to my liking. according to one release about the public option, if you loose your job you WILL go onto the obamacare plan and you will not be able to come off of it. if this is so, then i want none of it..
for all of you out there training in the medical field my hat is off to you and thank you.

Originally Posted by commiecat

I'm not sure if you're making these sarcastic, flippant remarks just for giggles or if you're really that uninformed.

The government won't be controlling health care. Private insurance will still be owned privately and the current doctors and nurses will still be taking care of you. Why is this so hard to understand?

I'm not sarcastic, I'm realistic, remember when the cost of a stamp was $0.05, how is that the goverment aparatus couldn't control costs of the mail system but now they're attempting to tell the public that they'll control the cost of health care?

I believe you're the one who's uninformed. The only thing the government had to do to promote competition and lower cost would be allow insurance companies to operate across states, and control or eliminate the frivolous malpractice suits.

The goverment plan is based on three basic concepts:
a) Reduced benefits
b) Higher cost
c) Elimination of private insurance companies

Looks what's hapening to Medicare and Social Security, every year it's more expensive for the retirees (taxes, premiums, medications)

And one extra point, the majority of the people in the US, is against health care reform the way is being drafted unilaterally by the Democratic Party

Originally Posted by Navaja

I'm not sarcastic, I'm realistic, remember when the cost of a stamp was $0.05, how is that the goverment aparatus couldn't control costs of the mail system but now they're attempting to tell the public that they'll control the cost of health care?

No, I don't remember that because I wasn't alive half a century ago. I'd like you to name one institution, governmental or otherwise, that has kept their prices the same over the last 50 years. Gas was $.29/gallon at that time as well, something that the USPS is pretty dependent upon.

Originally Posted by Navaja

The goverment plan is based on three basic concepts:
a) Reduced benefits
b) Higher cost
c) Elimination of private insurance companies

Elimination of private insurance? I'm still waiting for you, or anyone, to tell me where in any draft it says that we are eliminating private insurance. People, including you, keep suggesting that we're all going to governmental insurance, which is absolutely false and why I say that you're uninformed. For the billionth time, a public option is an option. You or your employer have the choice of either your existing plan, a competitive private insurance plan, or the public option.

Originally Posted by Navaja

And one extra point, the majority of the people in the US, is against health care reform the way is being drafted unilaterally by the Democratic Party

Cite your source on this, please.

Public opinion on health care reform in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by various articles

Statistician Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight reviewed various measures of public support for a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers, the "public option", in June 2009. The sampled poll results varied between 40% to 83% in support of a government-provided insurance option, with most of the sampled polls showing between 65% and 76% support.

A New York Times/CBS News poll in June 2009 found that Americans overwhelmingly support substantial changes to the health care system and are strongly behind a government-run insurance plan.

Consistent with the June 2009 New York Times/CBS News poll, in a June 2009 NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey, 76% said it was either "extremely" or "quite" important to "give people a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance".

A Pew Research Center report published in October 8 stated that 55% of Americans favor a government health insurance plan to compete with private plans.

Sources are in the article I linked. I understand you said something about the way it's being drafted, but it's just a draft and when health care reform finally gets passed it will be through legislation supported by the majority of Americans.

Barack Obama on single payer in 2003 | Physicians for a National Health Program

"Everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan..."

Get that? Right from the horses mouth.

Organizing for America | BarackObama.com

YouTube - Rep Jan Schakowsky pushes single payer healthcare