Thread: A Health Care Scenario

Originally Posted by Navaja

Giving control of health care to the same people that are running the United States Postal Service (guaranteed success)

I'm not sure if you're making these sarcastic, flippant remarks just for giggles or if you're really that uninformed.

The government won't be controlling health care. Private insurance will still be owned privately and the current doctors and nurses will still be taking care of you. Why is this so hard to understand?

Originally Posted by commiecat

I'm not sure if you're making these sarcastic, flippant remarks just for giggles or if you're really that uninformed.

The government won't be controlling health care. Private insurance will still be owned privately and the current doctors and nurses will still be taking care of you.

Who's uninformed??

Originally Posted by honedright

Who's uninformed??

Private insurance will still be owned privately and the current doctors and nurses will still be taking care of you.

What's incorrect about that? Where does it say that government will control our health care? That's like saying that government has control of package delivery.

Offering one option in a sea of many is far from taking control as far as I'm concerned.

Originally Posted by commiecat

Private insurance will still be owned privately and the current doctors and nurses will still be taking care of you.

What's incorrect about that? Where does it say that government will control our health care? That's like saying that government has control of package delivery.

Offering one option in a sea of many is far from taking control as far as I'm concerned.

Unfortunately I don't have access to the Pelosi bill. My understanding is that there is a provision that penalizes doctors who order medical tests above a certain percentile (Physicians Argue Against Provision Penalizing for Excessive Testing in Healthcare Reform Bill | Business and Financial | News and Analysis)

Sounds like government control to me.

If your doctor is considering performing that one-more-diagnostic-test-just-to-be-sure, will the procedure be skipped because the doctor finally decides it's unnecessary? or due to a fear of being penalized? You'll never know.

The bill is over 1900 pages. In 1900 pages there can be many such provisions. A good way to hide problematic provisions is to bury them in a voluminous mountain of legalese. Since when does it require 1900 pages to define how a doctor gets paid?

Originally Posted by honedright

If your doctor . . . .

so, you have a doctor yay! yesterday one was out of your reach and today you have one.

There are a lot of what ifs and buts after that, I'm sure, but lets sort the basics shall we?

Originally Posted by gregs656

so, you have a doctor yay! yesterday one was out of your reach and today you have one.

There are a lot of what ifs and buts after that, I'm sure, but lets sort the basics shall we?

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Think about it.

Originally Posted by commiecat

I'm not sure if you're making these sarcastic, flippant remarks just for giggles or if you're really that uninformed.

The government won't be controlling health care. Private insurance will still be owned privately and the current doctors and nurses will still be taking care of you. Why is this so hard to understand?

I'm not sarcastic, I'm realistic, remember when the cost of a stamp was $0.05, how is that the goverment aparatus couldn't control costs of the mail system but now they're attempting to tell the public that they'll control the cost of health care?

I believe you're the one who's uninformed. The only thing the government had to do to promote competition and lower cost would be allow insurance companies to operate across states, and control or eliminate the frivolous malpractice suits.

The goverment plan is based on three basic concepts:
a) Reduced benefits
b) Higher cost
c) Elimination of private insurance companies

Looks what's hapening to Medicare and Social Security, every year it's more expensive for the retirees (taxes, premiums, medications)

And one extra point, the majority of the people in the US, is against health care reform the way is being drafted unilaterally by the Democratic Party

Originally Posted by Navaja

I'm not sarcastic, I'm realistic, remember when the cost of a stamp was $0.05, how is that the goverment aparatus couldn't control costs of the mail system but now they're attempting to tell the public that they'll control the cost of health care?

No, I don't remember that because I wasn't alive half a century ago. I'd like you to name one institution, governmental or otherwise, that has kept their prices the same over the last 50 years. Gas was $.29/gallon at that time as well, something that the USPS is pretty dependent upon.

Originally Posted by Navaja

The goverment plan is based on three basic concepts:
a) Reduced benefits
b) Higher cost
c) Elimination of private insurance companies

Elimination of private insurance? I'm still waiting for you, or anyone, to tell me where in any draft it says that we are eliminating private insurance. People, including you, keep suggesting that we're all going to governmental insurance, which is absolutely false and why I say that you're uninformed. For the billionth time, a public option is an option. You or your employer have the choice of either your existing plan, a competitive private insurance plan, or the public option.

Originally Posted by Navaja

And one extra point, the majority of the people in the US, is against health care reform the way is being drafted unilaterally by the Democratic Party

Cite your source on this, please.

Public opinion on health care reform in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by various articles

Statistician Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight reviewed various measures of public support for a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers, the "public option", in June 2009. The sampled poll results varied between 40% to 83% in support of a government-provided insurance option, with most of the sampled polls showing between 65% and 76% support.

A New York Times/CBS News poll in June 2009 found that Americans overwhelmingly support substantial changes to the health care system and are strongly behind a government-run insurance plan.

Consistent with the June 2009 New York Times/CBS News poll, in a June 2009 NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey, 76% said it was either "extremely" or "quite" important to "give people a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance".

A Pew Research Center report published in October 8 stated that 55% of Americans favor a government health insurance plan to compete with private plans.

Sources are in the article I linked. I understand you said something about the way it's being drafted, but it's just a draft and when health care reform finally gets passed it will be through legislation supported by the majority of Americans.

Barack Obama on single payer in 2003 | Physicians for a National Health Program

"Everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan..."

Get that? Right from the horses mouth.