Thread: There's water on the MOON!

So they found 100 l, but how much do they think is there? In order for this to be useful for a moon base there would have to be a truly significant amount up there. For even a small base there would need to be at least 100 times that amount, likely even more.

Even if their was enough water, does not mean we should use it.

We shouldn't. at all. ever.

Originally Posted by gregs656

Even if their was enough water, does not mean we should use it.

We shouldn't. at all. ever.

So we should dryshave?

What's wrong with using the moon's water, if you don't mind my asking?

I think he's saying that the supply on the moon may not be able to replenish itself.

Originally Posted by Frankenstein

So we should dryshave?

What's wrong with using the moon's water, if you don't mind my asking?

I just think that exploiting finite reserves is never a good idea.

More over, we do not, and never will fully understand the implications if we remove that water until we've done it.

I'm against the idea on principle very strongly within my self and that is my best explanation of why. It seems patently obvious to me that it's just a rubbish idea.

Originally Posted by gregs656

I just think that exploiting finite reserves is never a good idea.

Couldn't agree more.

Originally Posted by gregs656

More over, we do not, and never will fully understand the implications if we remove that water until we've done it.

Not sure about this. What do you think the implications might be? Further, are they actually going to be taking the water off the moon's surface to another place - or just using it on the surface.

Who knows, maybe the whole thing will implode and then throw the earth into chaos.

Originally Posted by gregs656

Even if their was enough water, does not mean we should use it.

We shouldn't. at all. ever.

It's a resource, lying around, waiting to be used.
It's availability should be assessed, and used accordingly.
If there is only 100 liters, there is no point in using it.
If there is something the size of lake michigan, then I am all for using it., for example to fuel fusion reactors if we ever get around to building any.

Just leaving stuff in place because it is there is pointless. We might as well stop existing as a species. It is also a bit contradictory that you should post that opinion, using a computer that was built with finite resources extracted from the earth, powered by electricity that is not renewable

Originally Posted by Bruno

It's a resource, lying around, waiting to be used.
It's availability should be assessed, and used accordingly.
If there is only 100 liters, there is no point in using it.
If there is something the size of lake michigan, then I am all for using it., for example to fuel fusion reactors if we ever get around to building any.

Just leaving stuff in place because it is there is pointless. We might as well stop existing as a species. It is also a bit contradictory that you should post that opinion, using a computer that was built with finite resources extracted from the earth, powered by electricity that is not renewable

Waiting to be used? Can it be waiting for anything?

It facinates me that even after the way we have treated this Earth and seen the effects, we still look to exploit and finite reserve, from some where not on this planet. Leaving stuff in place because it is there is not pointless, we shouldn't, and don't need that resource to survive on this Earth.

I would love to be in a position where I relied less on fossil fuels. I am learning about what I can eat locally, and where to find it.

I don't think it's a bad thing that I can sit here today and say the way we live is wrong and completely unsustainable. The arrogance of men has a lot to answer for.

'To the ends that the men in space might need' well, why don't you worry about the people here for now. Plenty of them don't have enough water either.

Originally Posted by gregs656

It facinates me that even after the way we have treated this Earth and seen the effects, we still look to exploit and finite reserve, from some where not on this planet. Leaving stuff in place because it is there is not pointless, we shouldn't, and don't need that resource to survive on this Earth.

Our very existence depends on using non renewable resources.
Either we consume, or we go extinct, or we go back to being hunter gatherers. The last 2 are not good choices imo.

So ignoring the energy aspect atm, we depend on finding new resources in order to make the things we so cherish, like meds, computers, electronics, and many other things. Having access to water is almost a prerequisite to be able to use the moon as a stepping stone for space travel or to set up a scientific base there. So if there is water enough lying around on the moon, I see no reason not to use it.

And while it is true that there are enough problems here on earth to solve, that will always be the case. We can't put everything on hold until we've fixed everything, because then we'll be waiting forever.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Our very existence depends on using non renewable resources.
Either we consume, or we go extinct, or we go back to being hunter gatherers. The last 2 are not good choices imo.

Does it really. Since when? I would say that our CURRENT existence depends on using non renewable energy sources, but that does not have to be true. In fact, we are being forced out of this wasteful existence day by day, as those finite resources run out.

We do not need to use fossil fuels to make medicine, we need fossil fuels to mass produce synthetic copies of natural occurring medicine. Incidentally, I'm not a huge fan of medicine either, but that is neither here nor there in this thread.

Do you cherish your computer, medicine and electronics more than the Earth it's self?

I'm staggered that people think it's a good idea to support or current existence by pillaging every known resource we come across off this Earth as well as on it.

I don't think it would take much to fix everything. In fact, I'm pretty damn sure that between running out of fossil fuels and climate change most of our problems will be solved. I can only hope that people learn from our mistakes and live in such a way that we take what we need and don't expand to the point we have.

I do not believe that people should live for ever and we should try and save every one, I am a firm believer in death as a positive force, unfortunately that system is totally out of balance.

We do not need the water on the moon.