Thread: What would the founding fathers of the USA think if they could see us now?

I think they would be appalled see the results of a decades old experiment, and Americans of today, as the people that most watch the monitor/tv on a daily basis, with our rapid intellectual decline, loss of knowledge, extinction of logic and analytical reasoning, erosion of free thought and our propensity to absorb as our own anything aired on tv, as the end result of their work.

i think jefferson would be the one to watch. he was agnostic, but says in the federalist papers that we need christian foundation. he owned slaves as did most of the other founding fathers. he died broke.
basically it would be really great to hear comments from all the founding fathers as some, if not all of us might be shocked at what was said.
on this subject we had better not take anything for granted as to what they could possibly say and get highly ****ed off about..

Originally Posted by 59caddy

i think jefferson would be the one to watch. he was agnostic, but says in the federalist papers that we need christian foundation. he owned slaves as did most of the other founding fathers. he died broke.
basically it would be really great to hear comments from all the founding fathers as some, if not all of us might be shocked at what was said.
on this subject we had better not take anything for granted as to what they could possibly say and get highly ****ed off about..

The last thing Jefferson would do is to introduce religion into goverment. He declined to incude a theology curriculum in founding the University of Virginia, the first uiversity not to have one.

This is a great threa. I love all this speculation. However, I suspect that if they were to read all our comments, my own included, the founders of our nation would probably say something like, "These future men don't understand us at all!"

Originally Posted by leadduck

The last thing Jefferson would do is to introduce religion into goverment. He declined to incude a theology curriculum in founding the University of Virginia, the first uiversity not to have one.

This is a great threa. I love all this speculation. However, I suspect that if they were to read all our comments, my own included, the founders of our nation would probably say something like, "These future men don't understand us at all!"

BUT, jefferson did advocate religion into gov't. in the federalist papers are the comments about a separation of church and state(not in the constitution as many would have us to believe) but a couple of paragraphs later he also stated that without christian values to guide us that our republic and constitution would be lost. like i said before, he was agnostic at best..

I'm not sure what you're referring to. The opinion of most historinas is that The Federalist Papers were written by Madison, Hamilton and Jay under the pseudonym, "Publius", a name that may have been provided by Jefferson, but he was not the author. Additioinaly, being guided by Christian values is not the same as requiring adherence to strict Christian doctrine. Many comments I've read on this site by members who profess to be atheists, are consistent with Christian values.

Originally Posted by leadduck

I'm not sure what you're referring to. The opinion of most historinas is that The Federalist Papers were written by Madison, Hamilton and Jay under the pseudonym, "Publius", a name that may have been provided by Jefferson, but he was not the author. Additioinaly, being guided by Christian values is not the same as requiring adherence to strict Christian doctrine. Many comments I've read on this site by members who profess to be atheists, are consistent with Christian values.

i may have been wrong about his own writings in federalist papers. it may have been in his writings referring to the federalists papers and others comments on the constitution in general.(trying to find exact document i am referring to) but here are a few comments from jefferson:

Jefferson on Politics & Government: Freedom of Religion

Originally Posted by 59caddy

i may have been wrong about his own writings in federalist papers. it may have been in his writings referring to the federalists papers and others comments on the constitution in general.(trying to find exact document i am referring to) but here are a few comments from jefferson:

Jefferson on Politics & Government: Freedom of Religion

The site to which you refer is filled 100% with quotes by Jefferson, condemning government interference in religious practice and religious influence on government. He advocated that each simply leave the other alone. If I understand what you were saying initially, these quotes disprove your own argument.

Originally Posted by leadduck

The site to which you refer is filled 100% with quotes by Jefferson, condemning government interference in religious practice and religious influence on government. He advocated that each simply leave the other alone. If I understand what you were saying initially, these quotes disprove your own argument.

i am still trying to find the exact papers that i am referring to. to summarize, he was talking about their being a separation of church and state, but says that without a christian foundation of principles we would have no republic or constitution as we know it..
maybe someone else can help find the exact document i am trying to quote from..

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