Thread: What would the founding fathers of the USA think if they could see us now?

Youtube is basically TV though...

Originally Posted by denmason

I can't tell you how many people that I've asked the question: "Is the U.S.A. a democracy or a republic?" and get told "It's a democarcy!" Then they argue with me. Some have even tried to tell me it's a democratic republic. That is when I hand them these little booklets of The Constitution of the United States, and The Declaration of Independence. I ask them to read. Some of them I have seen, look for the nearest garbage can! Why would anyone want to play a game without knowing the rules? I guess they find it easier to sit in front of the tv than to read and learn something that might wake them up and make them think a little bit for themselves.

As far as the partisan discord goes, I don't think they'd even bat an eye. There was some pretty serious animosity in those early Continental Congresses. And it's not like this is the first time in our nation's history that partisan bickering has gotten ridiculous- seems to come in cycles.
There's a pretty great series on the History channel called "The Presidents" or something of that nature, and while it focuses primarily on the presidents themselves, you definitely get a taste of the political world around them. Many difficult periods.
The childish "if I don't get my way, then I'm going to hold my breath" and it's complimentary "well, you were bullies when you were in power- now it's our turn" approach that we've regressed to over the last several administrations is pretty disappointing, but anyone predicting doom and gloom as I've seen in some other threads is just full of it. We've been through far worse and come out a better nation in the end.

Originally Posted by leadduck

The site to which you refer is filled 100% with quotes by Jefferson, condemning government interference in religious practice and religious influence on government. He advocated that each simply leave the other alone. If I understand what you were saying initially, these quotes disprove your own argument.

here are some more writings of jefferson with his tilt towards a divine creator and other thoughts
Thomas Jefferson - Wikiquote

they would prob be kicking all our asses around the yard getting us back inline with how it was originally meant to be and the whole time not worrying about who sees them and calling the cops for "child abuse" for a good ol fashion but whoopin.. and there would probably be alot more justice being handed out from the everyday population..which would more than likly keep crime rates much lower than today

Originally Posted by BAMARACING8

they would prob be kicking all our asses around the yard getting us back inline with how it was originally meant to be and the whole time not worrying about who sees them and calling the cops for "child abuse" for a good ol fashion but whoopin.. and there would probably be alot more justice being handed out from the everyday population..which would more than likly keep crime rates much lower than today

All too often, justice being handed out from the everyday population adds to the crime rate.

Originally Posted by leadduck

All too often, justice being handed out from the everyday population adds to the crime rate.

i think if more people got involved there would be less crime also..most people have the attitude of "i do not want to get involved" (if i see a crime taking place, i DO get involved, sometimes with force, which by the way is applauded by the general population here where i live) crime around here is pretty low because of the people getting involved...

i just think people would be less inclined to steal your truck break in your house if everyone was armed up and other people got involved as well.. the odds would be in such bad favor for the person commiting the crime if more people did get involved instead of just calling the cops or hoping the cops show up..that in itself would help be a substantial deterant...
while i do agree there needs to be law and order.. the justice system just has to many loop holes sometimes.....like the people who broke into someones home fell through the roof and broke a leg or 2 and couldnt escape and starved for like 3 days until the home owner showed up from vacation...the guy that broke in ended up sue the home owner.....personally if i find someone in my house just shoot them save us all some tax money then call the cops to come scrape the body off my floor....im not trying to start a debate on whats right and wrong but i know that 90% of the people work to hard for to long and for to little to just have it stolen

Originally Posted by BAMARACING8

i just think people would be less inclined to steal your truck break in your house if everyone was armed up and other people got involved as well.. the odds would be in such bad favor for the person commiting the crime if more people did get involved instead of just calling the cops or hoping the cops show up..that in itself would help be a substantial deterant...
while i do agree there needs to be law and order.. the justice system just has to many loop holes sometimes.....like the people who broke into someones home fell through the roof and broke a leg or 2 and couldnt escape and starved for like 3 days until the home owner showed up from vacation...the guy that broke in ended up sue the home owner.....personally if i find someone in my house just shoot them save us all some tax money then call the cops to come scrape the body off my floor....im not trying to start a debate on whats right and wrong but i know that 90% of the people work to hard for to long and for to little to just have it stolen

I'm not saying we should't get involved. Yes, I've called the police when I've seen a crime being committed. But shooting the burglar is a little different. If you've got the gun to shoot him with, you can hold him at bay until the cops arrive. Human error being what it is, you might even shoot your kid who got up got to the bathroom. (Yeah, it's happened). And how are we lowering the crime rate, if the burglar's family or friends come after you? Haven't you then crated a Hatfield/McCoy or Earp/Clanton scenario?

Calling the police isn't getting involved. Being willing to testify is getting involved, and in that case the persons family and friends, and even self, is just as likely to come after you as they would be if you had shot the burglar. The difference is that if you actually shot the guy they might actually realize you are dangerous and be less willing to risk coming after you. You are lowering the crime rate because if the family and friends come after you they also get eliminated, plus the police would already be alerted to the situation and possibly be more willing to act quickly than in the case of the original incident.