View Poll Results: Was there a person now known as Jesus born?

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    I believe in Jesus because He changed my life. I read His word and it makes sense to me. He has never steered me wrong. I'm not saying I understand it all, and the things I don't understand I just let go for the time being knowing all will be revealed in good time.

    I think if people were honest with themselves and were truly seeking God they would really study his word to see if it's true or not. Most people don't really want to know so they find excuses not to believe.

    One verse of scripture reads: A fool has said in his heart there is no God.

    The word "fool" otherwise translated means insane.

    So in Gods eyes an unbeliever is insane, which makes sense seeing as God created the world we live in and He created us. For man to deny him is insane.

    Just had to throw my 2 cents in.

    Oh and by the way, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! everybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphim View Post
    Hold on here. Let's focus this discussion on the discussion contained within this thread, and not cross-reference other discussions held on other threads about other things.

    Otherwise we may end up with comments such as these:



    If X has been alledged as to "picking and choosing" in regards to the points he is making here, then point those out, not global warming, etc.

    Obviously many of us have a strong point of view, one way or the other, and therefore argue the point from that perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sffone View Post
    Thinking about religion and faith, I find it interesting that with all the "faith-healing" that goes on in some of our churches, where people are cured of their afflictions by a "laying on of hands," that no one with a missing arm or leg has ever had one grow back. Is that because their faith isn't as strong?
    I lost 3 fingers about 6 years ago and only 2 and a half grew back...I still lack a little when it comes to faith.

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    No contemporaneous evidence exists that would indicate the existence of Jesus.
    That pretty much settles it for me. But, if you have some, I'd gladly hear it. I'm not saying I believe he didn't exist, but that there isn't anything substantial enough to point me to the contrary.

    I should mention that the results of this poll will be largely representative and consistent with the findings of this chart.

    Off topic:

    My roommate in college was a religious studies major. He was Christian when he started and Christian when he left, but it was interesting to see first hand his Christian classmates' loss-of-faith during the program.

    The more they studied and did historical research and the more papers they wrote backed by evidence they needed to find, the more uncomfortable they became with their faith. Many lost faith completely; many felt they needed to stop their studies to maintain their relationship with their god.

    There were constant sighs when assignments and arguments "backed their faith in a corner" so to speak. Many discrepancies between individual belief and actual history were solved by going through the motions, taking for fact what they wanted and dismissing the rest.

    Remarkably, a small percentage found their faith strengthened. Take from it what you will.

    Personally? I think the bible belongs in the "Fiction" section. But if it can escape that genre, it should at least have a disclaimer sticker slapped on the cover.

    Merry Christmas everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marosell View Post
    That pretty much settles it for me. But, if you have some, I'd gladly hear it. I'm not saying I believe he didn't exist, but that there isn't anything substantial enough to point me to the contrary.

    I should mention that the results of this poll will be largely representative and consistent with the findings of this chart.

    Off topic:

    My roommate in college was a religious studies major. He was Christian when he started and Christian when he left, but it was interesting to see first hand his Christian classmates' loss-of-faith during the program.

    The more they studied and did historical research and the more papers they wrote backed by evidence they needed to find, the more uncomfortable they became with their faith. Many lost faith completely; many felt they needed to stop their studies to maintain their relationship with their god.

    There were constant sighs when assignments and arguments "backed their faith in a corner" so to speak. Many discrepancies between individual belief and actual history were solved by going through the motions, taking for fact what they wanted and dismissing the rest.

    Remarkably, a small percentage found their faith strengthened. Take from it what you will.

    Personally? I think the bible belongs in the "Fiction" section. But if it can escape that genre, it should at least have a disclaimer sticker slapped on the cover.

    Merry Christmas everyone.
    The Gospels are first hand accounts of the existence of Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miner123 View Post
    The Gospels are first hand accounts of the existence of Jesus.
    That's not proof, there is no rock solid proof. That's why it's called "faith".

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    That's the job and intent of universities and most seminaries (or is that cemetaries?), none of them have any intention of building anyone's faith up but rather tearing it down, they are infested with liberal Bible rejecting 'professors'.
    The Bible is the greatest and most extensive compilation of historical eye witness accounts and records in the world by far. If anyone doesn't like it, then they can lump it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpfontenot View Post
    That's not proof, there is no rock solid proof. That's why it's called "faith".
    Do you believe George Washington existed? How do you know? Were you there? He could have been an invention of unscrupulous history revisionists, an elaborate hoax.

    I know that sounds absurd, but you have to have faith that he existed. There is no rock solid proof.
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