Thread: The end of Liberalism? dare I dream?

Originally Posted by TexasBob

What's funny depends on your point of view. That "joke" has an offensive point of view.

Fairly representitive of the neo-cons I work with.

Originally Posted by wpfontenot

Fairly representitive of the neo-cons I work with.

That depends on a neo-con point of view to be funny? Somehow we are drifting away from reality here.

Originally Posted by Slartibartfast

What freedoms have we lost due to liberalism?

the right to keep what i earn for my hard work and not give it to some lazy, no count, welfare crying, handout seeking, food stamp grabbing. free housing, free utilities, free medical, American hating idiots.....

X made a joke! Whatever?!

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Originally Posted by TexasBob

That depends on a neo-con point of view to be funny? Somehow we are drifting away from reality here.

Nope, just makes me laugh how much it represents the neo-cons I work with based solely on their behavior. Nothing more, nothing less. Based on my experiences with the ones I work with there is no drift in reality.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

the right to keep what i earn for my hard work and not give it to some lazy, no count, welfare crying, handout seeking, food stamp grabbing. free housing, free utilities, free medical, American hating idiots.....

Thats nothing new, those programs exist without regard to whom is in the whitehouse or whom is controlling congress. I guess when the Neo-Cons controlled both houses and the white house they should've done away with those programs but chose to not do that.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

the right to keep what i earn for my hard work and not give it to some lazy, no count, welfare crying, handout seeking, food stamp grabbing. free housing, free utilities, free medical, American hating idiots.....

Well, there is that.

I was going to answer earlier but didn't want to research a big long list of specifics (knowing that whatever I say will get nitpicked). I was thinking along these lines:

a) A big thing lost is the liberty of entrepreneurs to start and maintain a business without endless rules, regulations, taxes, etc. and with some certainty that the rules aren't going to change out from under them.

My simple freedom to go to work everyday without being subjected to the required "equal opportunity" (a euphemism for "affirmative action" and now known as "diversity") meetings would be a small freedom nice to have back again.

Interesting point here. I have a black neighbor who is now retired from IBM -- has worked there about as long as I have. She *hates* those diversity meetings. Makes her feel like dirt. Very demeaning. She eventually became a manager and had to *conduct* those meetings! She said it was a good thing people couldn't tell when she was blushing. I had a coworker who is Spanish. He gets very angry at those meetings -- he wants people to know his job assignments and promotions are because of his abilities and hates the implication that he is being "helped" along his career path because of his "special needs".

This lady pointed out that shortly after she started with IBM, all minorities were required to have "Individual Development Plans" apparently because they were thought too stupid to manage their own careers (but in actuality because IBM had to make some preemptive strikes to avoid even more micromanagement by the EO commission -- or whatever its called). Lately, to avoid the appearance of what I just described, *everyone* has to have IDPs. Just more administrative make-work that nearly everyone hates (except those good at gaming the system).

A related example: There was a career day at IBM where people came in for interviews. I noticed that everyone (almost) was either black or female. I recommended one of my interviewees be hired. Turns out he was a white male who had a black sounding name and got in by mistake! Almost couldn't hire him. Had to go through special justification to get him. He is so good that he was quickly promoted past me. No other white males even got a chance to interview!

There are lost freedoms in there somewhere.

b) This is harder to put into words, but having lived for 64 years now, I can remember when things were a lot "looser" for want of a better term. You could mind your own business without worrying about what was the PC thing to do or if you would offend someone's sense of entitlement or ruffle some delicate feathers (which I hope I haven't done above).

c) Worse things are on the horizon: nationalized health care. *globalized* carbon taxes. Both are more than the camel's nose under the tent -- they are the whole head and neck.

Well I rambled on longer than I should have but there it is.

Originally Posted by wpfontenot

Thats nothing new, those programs exist without regard to whom is in the whitehouse or whom is controlling congress. I guess when the Neo-Cons controlled both houses and the white house they should've done away with those programs but chose to not do that.

that is partly why they are no longer in power. they did not stick to the roots of conservatism and get rid of all the government leeches and hangers on...do not get me wrong, i believe we have to help people when they are down and are trying to struggle back up..but these 3rd and 4th generation welfare moochers have got to go.....

Originally Posted by TexasBob

You could mind your own business without worrying about what was the PC thing to do or if you would offend someone's sense of entitlement or ruffle some delicate feathers (which I hope I haven't done above).

Hehehe, I don't think this is directed to me but if it is it'll take a whole bunch more than a political discussion to get my dander up.

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

X made a joke! Whatever?!

Wait for it ...

Originally Posted by TexasBob

For a real laugh, change the caption:

*picks up the ball FTW*



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