Thread: Dark Matter

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

Sure you can debate it but the conclusion is the same.



Either one? God and dark matter?

I don't have the equipment to view the effects of dark matter.

What am I supposed to be looking for when you say God? Everyone seems to have their own definition and "evidence" of God.

And which God should I be looking for?

So, in regards to dark matter, you are going on faith?

Originally Posted by Seraphim

So, in regards to dark matter, you are going on faith?

Faith in what? That dark matter exists?

Dark Matter could exist or not it doesn't really matter. It's just a way to explain what they are observing. Why would I have faith in one theory over another?
If someone comes up with a better explanation it won't affect me at all.

I guess you're trying to compare this to religious faith but they aren't comparable at all.

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

Faith in what? That dark matter exists?

Dark Matter could exist or not it doesn't really matter. It's just a way to explain what they are observing. Why would I have faith in one theory over another?
If someone comes up with a better explanation it won't affect me at all.

I guess you're trying to compare this to religious faith but they aren't comparable at all.

Quite right.

One uses scientific theories to explain something it can't see or directly observe, the other uses religious philosophies to explain something it can't see or directly observe.

No comparrison.

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Quite right.

One uses scientific theories to explain something it can't see or directly observe, the other uses religious philosophies to explain something it can't see or directly observe.

No comparrison.

The problem is that religious faith doesn't care about evidence. Science is all about evidence.

Dark Matter has specific qualities that can be tested.

The idea of God does not. Any that people come up with always fail scientific scrutiny.

Not comparable at all.

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

The problem is that religious faith doesn't care about evidence. Science is all about evidence.

Dark Matter has specific qualities that can be tested.

The idea of God does not. Any that people come up with always fail scientific scrutiny.

Not comparable at all.

Who says religious faith doesn't care about evidence? I wouldn't have any faith whatsoever if I lacked anything with which to back it up in my own experience!

Yes, dark matter has specific qualities, most appealing of which is that it fills in nicely the gaps in the current theories about how the universe is put together.

Is gravity what holds an atom together? Why don't those electrons go flying off?

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Who says religious faith doesn't care about evidence? I wouldn't have any faith whatsoever if I lacked anything with which to back it up in my own experience!

All religions claim to have evidence. If the "evidence" isn't in support of the religious faith then it's ignored. The "evidence" for other faiths is ignored. That's not caring about evidence.

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Yes, dark matter has specific qualities, most appealing of which is that it fills in nicely the gaps in the current theories about how the universe is put together.

Of course....why would they come up with the idea if it didn't explain something?

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

Faith in what? That dark matter exists?

Dark Matter could exist or not it doesn't really matter. It's just a way to explain what they are observing. Why would I have faith in one theory over another?
If someone comes up with a better explanation it won't affect me at all.

I guess you're trying to compare this to religious faith but they aren't comparable at all.

I think I may be on to a new scientific theory! Move aside anti-matter and dark matter, now we have "doesn't really matter"!

It might be there, it might not be there....yet, clearly observable in everyday life:

"Hmm...should I wear the blue shirt? Or the red shirt? Hey I know...it doesn't really matter!"

Q: What causes the planets to orbit around the sun?
A: Doesn't really matter.

Q: Why is the sky blue?
A: Doesn't really matter

Q: What causes gravity?
A: Doesn't really matter

Q: What caused the Big Bang?
A: Doesn't really matter

Q: What is the sound of one hand clapping?
A: Doesn't really matter


It is the Alpha and Omega of scientific theories! Unassailable, thoroughly theoretical, beyond comprehension of even the most egg-headed of mathemeticians.

Peer reviewed through 15+ pages of SRP discussion, I think all of you must agree that the majority of what we have been talking about doesn't really matter.

So, remember people, only 4.6% of the universe is matter, the rest-- doesn't really matter!

Move aside Barack, and Al Gore, the next Nobel Prize is all mine!

So we can only account for 4.6% of the stuff the universe is made of? Maybe somebody's scale is mis-calibrated? Or maybe everyone is fleeing the really big, bad, 95.4% black hole. And this could add validity to the everything is still expanding theory.

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I think I may be on to a new scientific theory! Move aside anti-matter and dark matter, now we have "doesn't really matter"!

I would think you'd prefer "God did it".

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Well, when I toss a coin, the fact that it falls downwards after reaching apogee, indicates the strong pull from the invisible, theoretical dark matter contained in the floor.

Why not 'God made it fall that way'? They are perfectly equivalent at the level of detail you're content to live with.

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Have they discovered any evidence of dark matter located somewhere other than near another astronomical object?

You know you have to define 'near' a bit more precisely

If god's presence is everywhere, why wouldn't the dark matter's presence be everywhere too. And just like (after some trickery with so called photons) your brain concludes that the single steps in the sand are good enough, the dark matter is only detectable when it wishes to be detected.


It all boils down to how much you want to know, and I may or may not mean it in the biblical sense...