Thread: Enough is enough

Originally Posted by Joe Chandler

I might not be able to stop him, but I bet I can break him of the habit.

it has been said that the sound most likely to stop an intruder is the sound of a pump shotgun chambering a round. Not to mention, with a nice home defense or CQC shotgun, you only have to aim in the general direction of the intruder to do some major damag which is nice in the middle of the nigt.


On another note, some states may be more gun friendly than you would think. As of right now with my combined concealed permits I can carry in 19 states. While all of those states have very different laws on where and when you can carry a weapon, I beleve at last count there was 34 states that either have or honor concealed permits. Of course for home defense, I could give a shit less if a state "approves" of me having a gun. The only way they would know is if I had to use it, and like I said before:

"Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6"

Anyway, if you are interested in reading about the firearms laws, especially relating to concealed carry for you state, PM me and I can certainly provide some links!

I'm lucky. Congress recently passed a law which allows me to carry concealed in all 50 states. There are times when I don't, but for the most part, I'm carrying. I feel like every law abiding citizen should be armed.

Originally Posted by NavyBarber

So let me get this straight;
If I protect my home as best I can with limited knowledge of an intruders intent, I can be convicted of Murder or hopefully manslaughter for using lethal force to protect myself and my family.

Fearing incarceration for using lethal force, I would naturally start to depend on my tax dollar paid government agencies like the police, but they have no obligation to provide protection to me - an individual taxpayer - under normal circumstances unless the person I'm being threatened by is a proven threat, or a loony!

So, what option is left? . . how many taxpayers have to be threatened before the police have and obligation to protect us? Or, are they only in existence to inconvenience taxpayers during quota time!?

Frankly, I'm a pretty good shot (Shot for the Navy rifle team well enough to challenge the marine team at 1000 yards), but I'm a bit afraid to protect myself in a pinch for fear of spending my formative years locked up for doing the right thing when threatened by someone intent on doing the wrong thing.
How long does this have to go on before something changes?

I know the government doesn't like to admit some of the shady things they do, but is giving the property of a decent guy defending himself from a bad to the bad guy when he fails in his attempt even something that can be rationalized? I'd really like to know how us judges support their decisions in such cases. It's a win win for the criminals, they either get your stuff, or the court gives it to them when they fail!!!

NB,

Keep in mind that the only stories you hear about self defense are the ones that make the newspapers, and those are generally all ugly stories accusing innocent people of protecting themselves, because for some reason that is what the more liberal newspapers enjoy printing. The estimate for last year was that only about 1% - 2% of all self defense stories (approximately 2 million per year) ended in accusing the innocent victims.

Anyway as of 1992, one survey reported that there were approximately 221 million guns (77 million of these were handguns) registered, and if all those gun owners were determined to make a change this wouldnt even be an issue, unfortunately that isnt the case. However, now that Florida has paved the way, hopefully it will be easier to make changes in our current laws in the future.

Just out of curiosity Joe, what is this new law that covers all 50 states. All that I'd heard up to this point required someone to be a bounty hunter or other such 'unique' things.

NavyBarber,
That law Joe is referring to is affects law enforcement officers. Used to be that your individual agency would set how far from "home" you could carry, even though technically speaking we could always carry concealed in all 50 states. Congress, in an effort to have more armed police walking the streets, has now told the agencies that they will allow us to carry in all 50 states.

Kurt

Yeah, what he said. The law now states that full-time, commissioned law enforcement officers may carry a concealed firearm on their persons in all of the 50 United States. Doesn't do you much good in Alaska or Hawaii, though, since you have to fly to get there, or drive through Canada. This is in contrast to the old law, which left it up to individual states. Some states wouldn't allow you to carry concealed if you weren't a LEO in that jurisdiction. You still have to have special dispensation or federal commission to carry on an airplane. I'm both state and federally commissioned. In order to fly with a weapon, though, I'd still have to have a permission letter from the FAA through my department.

Originally Posted by Joe Chandler

Doesn't do you much good in Alaska or Hawaii, though, since you have to fly to get there, or drive through Canada.

As long as you don't have to go dead of winter or during hurricane season, boats are a wonderful thing. Just stay in US waters .

I get to do both. That's what makes the job fun. Hurricane season is a real treat here in Louisiana. Winter's not so bad, until you have to get on the Mississippi river. That sumbitch is cold!

Originally Posted by Joe Chandler

Yeah, what he said. The law now states that full-time, commissioned law enforcement officers may carry a concealed firearm on their persons in all of the 50 United States. Doesn't do you much good in Alaska or Hawaii, though, since you have to fly to get there, or drive through Canada. This is in contrast to the old law, which left it up to individual states. Some states wouldn't allow you to carry concealed if you weren't a LEO in that jurisdiction. You still have to have special dispensation or federal commission to carry on an airplane. I'm both state and federally commissioned. In order to fly with a weapon, though, I'd still have to have a permission letter from the FAA through my department.

At least you now get to carry in the Peoples Repulic of New Jersey and the Peoples Republic of California. They need to get used to guns in the hands of civilians again. I bet they were shaking when the LEO laws passed!

and BTW, its easier to check a gun under a plane than oversized luggage, so dont count hawaii or alaska out.

Originally Posted by JLStorm

At least you now get to carry in the Peoples Repulic of New Jersey and the Peoples Republic of California. They need to get used to guns in the hands of civilians again. I bet they were shaking when the LEO laws passed!

and BTW, its easier to check a gun under a plane than oversized luggage, so dont count hawaii or alaska out.

Actually, you might not get to carry in New Jersey. There's a great deal of dispute over the meaning of this particular law, especially the "certifications" that the state has to issue in order for LEOs and retired LEOs to carry.

So, I wouldn't get my hopes up quite yet.