Thread: Enough is enough

Everyone PLEASE write to your media rep and tell them to shut the *@!$ up about Dick Cheney and the bird shot!.

I'm so sick of this. I can't stand the man personally but hey, If any of us accidentally shot a guy the media wouldn't be hounding us for not reporting it personally. I'm surprised the media isn't upset at dick and george for not calling in what brand of TP they use to wipe with every time they dump!

Whew! I feel better now. Thanks

Originally Posted by FUD

Everyone PLEASE write to your media rep and tell them to shut the *@!$ up about Dick Cheney and the bird shot!.

I'm so sick of this. I can't stand the man personally but hey, If any of us accidentally shot a guy the media wouldn't be hounding us for not reporting it personally. I'm surprised the media isn't upset at dick and george for not calling in what brand of TP they use to wipe with every time they dump!

Whew! I feel better now. Thanks

No, they would be reporting on our attempted murder trial.

RT

Originally Posted by rtaylor61

No, they would be reporting on our attempted murder trial.

RT

Don't forget about reassesing the states gun laws, taxes on ammo, and investigating why you felt the need to own a gun at all. Of course, that would be after you were sued by the family of the vitcim and convicted by the state on several charges...

Yes enough about Dick!!! No one cares other than the pheasants who escaped thanks to Dicks poor shot.

aerosmith classic remixed-

Dum, dum, dum, honey what have you done?
Dum, dum, dum it's the sound of my gun.
Dum, dum, dum, honey what have you done?
Dum, dum, dum it's the sound

cheney's got a gun
cheney's got a gun....

you know, I've heard hitler successfully removed (most) all guns from homes, making it illegal for citizens to use a gun prior to starting his campaign against Jews. Then he armed the troops to the hilt and went to town.

I've also heard that one of the countries in the EU (switzerland or sweden I think) REQUIRES every male old enough to shoot a gun and young enough to fire it straight (I think the cut of was something in the 60's or late 50's) to have a fully functioning military rifle in their home ready for use. The same article also noted that this country had the lowest crime rate in the world

Yes, it is Switzerland and they carry a semi automatic. I saw a program on it and loved it. The guy was riding his bike with a semi-automatic strapped accross his back. They have no standing army and it is every citizen's duty to be ready to defend his country. They actually take turns at "active duty" and have to carry the gun with them when it is their turn.

I live in Canada and find the attitude towards gun control a placibo. The only thing this achieves is the good guys are unarmed while the criminals are. They don't pay attention to law, duh!

Just today I found out that an ex-work colleage lost his 19 year old brother who was shot in Edmonton a few days ago. So gun control does not really work.

Switzerland's attitude that every able bodied man has to know how to shoot and be ready to do so is healthy. No one is going to protect your sorry ass better than yourself. Any criminal there knows that you won't have to wait for the cops to get there. Farming out protection to someone else is unreliable for that reason and creates either a false sense of security or a police state.

That said, I don't think 12 year olds should carry guns "cause they want respect" either.

I like the Swiss education and training balance of this issue better than the Canadian or the US attitudes.

As far as Dick is concerned, I knew as soon as I heard the story that the media would milk it for all it's got.

Reminds me of the SNL episode "Buckwheat is dead" after the shooting of President Raygun.

im at a lack of words when imagining every "able bodied" male in the US having a gun and that being a good thing. sure armed robbery of your house might decline (as if it exists, find me a robber who enters while you're there) but practically every other crime involving a gun would rise. Would people be expected to carry guns on them 24/7 and to work and dinner etc... who could monitor that and make sure everyone tying one on at the bar or a party has their gun.

sounds like molding a pseudo friendly society based on an underlying fear of each other. too much paranoia and pessimism for me

ps i walked into my house as a teenager and found a guy robbing it, i am happy this guy, who just ran away when he heard me, didnt think i was armed when i came in and started thinking to act "before i did". whether a gun is in a house or not a desperate person will still rob it when youre not there. reminds me of frost's "good fences make good neighbors"

if the swiss crime rate is truly the lowest in the world or among them, i would attribute it to the culture and education of the people in combination with other strong government programs way before concluding every one having a gun as even a strong factor, let alone a main one.

Originally Posted by FUD

you know, I've heard hitler successfully removed (most) all guns from homes, making it illegal for citizens to use a gun prior to starting his campaign against Jews. Then he armed the troops to the hilt and went to town.

I've also heard that one of the countries in the EU (switzerland or sweden I think) REQUIRES every male old enough to shoot a gun and young enough to fire it straight (I think the cut of was something in the 60's or late 50's) to have a fully functioning military rifle in their home ready for use. The same article also noted that this country had the lowest crime rate in the world

Every single state in the US which has instated a concealed carry permit program has had their crime rate drop. conversly, the states with the most gun control also have the worst crime.

Doesn't really matter to me either way, they will have to kill me to get my guns, but not before I take a few of em with me

Originally Posted by NoMoreMach3

sounds like molding a pseudo friendly society based on an underlying fear of each other. too much paranoia and pessimism for me

Someone stated that an armed society is a polite society. I just want everyone to be nice to each other.
BTW, I think ATF should be a convenience store, not a government agency.

OK. Enough one-liners for the day.

Originally Posted by NoMoreMach3

every other crime involving a gun would rise.

I'd have to disagree with ya lad. There would be 2 major deterrents. 1) the person(s) being violated might shoot back and 2) with the increased survival of the victims, more witnesses would be there to jail the criminals for life.

Originally Posted by NoMoreMach3

sounds like molding a pseudo friendly society based on an underlying fear of each other. too much paranoia and pessimism for me

If it takes a healthy fear to be the proper deterrent then so be it. The problem today is no one has a healthy fear of anything, it's either a phobia treatable by drugs or it doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by NoMoreMach3

ps i walked into my house as a teenager and found a guy robbing it, i am happy this guy, who just ran away when he heard me, didnt think i was armed when i came in and started thinking to act "before i did". whether a gun is in a house or not a desperate person will still rob it when youre not there. reminds me of frost's "good fences make good neighbors"

Most break ins are by desparate people who don't prepare enough, many more are by those who make mistakes. Most homes are occupied when vandalized. Even if the break-ins drop by only 50% that's still 50% that wouldn't have been curbed had the criminals not been aware that they would most likely be shot and killed if they broke the law.

Originally Posted by NoMoreMach3

if the swiss crime rate is truly the lowest in the world or among them, i would attribute it to the culture and education of the people in combination with other strong government programs way before concluding every one having a gun as even a strong factor, let alone a main one.

I'm sure the swiss appreciate your respectable opinion of their society. However it's hard to argue against the evidence of an entire country. more guns= less violent crimes=less non violent crimes. Every time a society has banned personal weapons/guns that I've read about in history, the government then starts a major oppression of the people and eventually most of the population has to die in a coup or revolution and then some other oppresive force takes advantage. I know I don't want that to happen here.

Hope this doesn't sound too much like preaching or arguing. I'm not. just stating my dissents on points made