Thread: Enough is enough

Originally Posted by FUD

Everyone PLEASE write to your media rep and tell them to shut the *@!$ up about Dick Cheney and the bird shot!.

I'm so sick of this. I can't stand the man personally but hey, If any of us accidentally shot a guy the media wouldn't be hounding us for not reporting it personally. I'm surprised the media isn't upset at dick and george for not calling in what brand of TP they use to wipe with every time they dump!

Whew! I feel better now. Thanks

No, they would be reporting on our attempted murder trial.

RT

Originally Posted by rtaylor61

No, they would be reporting on our attempted murder trial.

RT

Don't forget about reassesing the states gun laws, taxes on ammo, and investigating why you felt the need to own a gun at all. Of course, that would be after you were sued by the family of the vitcim and convicted by the state on several charges...

Yes enough about Dick!!! No one cares other than the pheasants who escaped thanks to Dicks poor shot.

aerosmith classic remixed-

Dum, dum, dum, honey what have you done?
Dum, dum, dum it's the sound of my gun.
Dum, dum, dum, honey what have you done?
Dum, dum, dum it's the sound

cheney's got a gun
cheney's got a gun....

you know, I've heard hitler successfully removed (most) all guns from homes, making it illegal for citizens to use a gun prior to starting his campaign against Jews. Then he armed the troops to the hilt and went to town.

I've also heard that one of the countries in the EU (switzerland or sweden I think) REQUIRES every male old enough to shoot a gun and young enough to fire it straight (I think the cut of was something in the 60's or late 50's) to have a fully functioning military rifle in their home ready for use. The same article also noted that this country had the lowest crime rate in the world

Originally Posted by FUD

you know, I've heard hitler successfully removed (most) all guns from homes, making it illegal for citizens to use a gun prior to starting his campaign against Jews. Then he armed the troops to the hilt and went to town.

I've also heard that one of the countries in the EU (switzerland or sweden I think) REQUIRES every male old enough to shoot a gun and young enough to fire it straight (I think the cut of was something in the 60's or late 50's) to have a fully functioning military rifle in their home ready for use. The same article also noted that this country had the lowest crime rate in the world

Every single state in the US which has instated a concealed carry permit program has had their crime rate drop. conversly, the states with the most gun control also have the worst crime.

Doesn't really matter to me either way, they will have to kill me to get my guns, but not before I take a few of em with me

I live in Florida and I do have a concealed wepons permit as well. but here is our law, read this its short and to the point.
http://diodon349.com/Conservative_Co...d_into_law.htm

I would still rather go hunting with Dick Cheney, than go driving with Ted Kennedy

Originally Posted by nunz4

I live in Florida and I do have a concealed wepons permit as well. but here is our law, read this its short and to the point.
http://diodon349.com/Conservative_Co...d_into_law.htm

I would still rather go hunting with Dick Cheney, than go driving with Ted Kennedy

That sounds like someone finally got some sense in their heads.

Originally Posted by vladsch

I personally think that most people weary of violent self defense or guns for protection are lucky enough to not have much experience with the need for these.

***DISCLAIMER***
Please, no one take offense at this. It's not an insult.

The people I know that want to abolish the 2nd amendment are mostly 'government children'. People who've been forced by circumstance to live in poverty in high crime areas and supported by government assistance programs. Situations like that often force people to rely on the political party that will offer the best funding, medical, and housing programs for them (don't bite the hand that feeds you). Some see the criminals rape, murder, pillage without regard to others and they get sick of the violence. They see the damage and horror that are caused by gun wielding criminals, and how younger and younger children are picking up arms out of desparation and turning into criminals themselves. These people, so close to the crime and impoverishment, see the guns as the evil since, without a gun, the children wouldn't become instant criminals, etc. Others realize that a friend or loved one wouldn't be in prison for manslaughter/2nd degree murder for trying to protect themselves/family from a break in had a gun not been available to them. The political party sees this and instead of educating them, jumps on the bandwagon and begins preaching it as gospel without the facts all for the vote since the impoverished make up a huge portion of the voting age.

Here's something. England doesn't even allow their street cops to carry guns. Recently, on 48 hours I think, there was a special about an american body builder (criminal) who shot a street cop in England. Witnesses led police to a storage facility where they found tons of homemade amunition and arms. I'm told England has some really tough gun laws. But the criminals STILL have guns, only the law abiding citizens and street cops are unarmed and less of a threat to the armed criminals.

Originally Posted by FUD

England doesn't even allow their street cops to carry guns.

They actually do have quite an armoury, assault weapons and all. They just don't let the beat cops carry them. They have to call out the big guns.

X

It's all relative...

I moved from New Jersey to Arizona about 15-years ago. I'll never forget the stark difference in what the local media was attempting to sensationalize the day I moved. The morning I left NJ the local news couldn't stop discussing banning resturants from serving "sunny side up" eggs (because of the threat of salmonella). That evening the local Phoenix TV station was ablaze with the fact that someone was trying to introduce a bill that would outlaw kids from carrying guns to school! (BTW, eventually the bill passed, so kids are now forbidden from carrying guns to school in AZ... and, AFAIK, the law was repealed and you can now get sunny side up eggs in NJ)

Later that week, on the way to work I had to go around a police roadblock at a traffic light... turns out someone pulled in front of another driver as they were approaching the light. Pissed off, the cutoff driver opend fire as the cars came to a stop at the light. That caused the driver of the car who pulled in front to get out of his car and start firing back. Both received minor wounds and the cutoff driver was charged with a minor offense. (the guy who returned fire was deemd to be defending himself.)

Still later that first week, I went to a resturant on the outskirts of Scottsdale where you ate outdoors in a desert setting... the waitresses carried sidearms (supposedly to shoot rattlesnakes if needed?).

So what did I learn from this back then...

• you have to leave NJ if you like sunny side up eggs!
• driving in AZ is a little different than NJ... whereas in NJ a middle finger was the accepted road rage solution, a gun was (and still is) the weapon of choice in AZ.
• leave big tips in the resturants!

FYI, AZ is a right to carry state and allows carrying openly displayed weapons almost everywhere (except, eg, schools and bars) and concealed weapons if you have a permit. I read somewhere that it is estimated more than 50% of AZ drivers have a weapon either in their car or on their person, and that better than 50% of the concealed permits are held by women! There's a castle doctrine bill in the state legislature which is similar to FL's.

I believe the magic phrase folks is, "I was in fear for my life. I thought he was going to kill me." One of the main effects of a major adrenaline dump is short-term memory loss. You simply claim not to remember the events -- the investigators won't be able to prove otherwise.

I live in Oklahoma. We have what we affectionately call the "Make My Day" law. If someone breaks into your house, their life is pretty much forfeit. State legislators are currently looking at possibly expanding the bill to be in-line with Florida's recent "Stand Your Ground" law.

We also have a concealed carry law, but it has been bastardized pretty badly though. My favorite item is any business can place a sticker on their door indicating no concealed weapons. If you have a concealed carry permit and go in, it's a felony. If you don't have a permit, it's only a misdemeanor. Not exactly sure how that works... I guess the guy with the CCW permit should have known better. There was a lawyer who taught a section of the course. While the law is written as "what would a reasonable and prudent person do", she told me my martial arts training would almost definitely be used against me in both criminal and civil court if I ever needed to use a concealed weapon, citing other less-lethal means available for dealing with the situation. So, there's no real point for me to pursue it further.

It's simply not worth the amount of time and money involved to stop a punk kid from stealing my stereo. There's the lawyers, time off work for court, new carpet, paint, etc. Hell, if you want my stereo you can have it. If you want my car, hell take it too -- it's insured. If my family is in immediate danger though, I will utilize whatever means are at my disposal to prevent their harm.