Thread: Why is this Okay?

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

The answer to the OP would require one to be cognizant of certain historical facts, the recitation of which would require far more space than this forum allows, and which would also take a fair amount of time to cover. Once you are aware and mindful of the history that has brought us to this particular point in terms of why there are minorities who feel compelled to band together in certain instances, then you'll understand why.
Kinda like why Italian restaurants seem to only serve Italian food, or something like that...

NO. Italian restaurants serve Italian food, because they are an Italian restaurant specializing in that cuisine. THEY DO NOT ONLY SERVE ITIALIANS. That is illegal.

Your argument boils down the assertion that because blacks were discriminated against in the past, they can now discriminate against others. Poor argument.

Matt

i do believe that my earlier post was misunderstood, my point was that it makes no difference, the results would be the same, if i were to start a white only site, i would be run out of town on a rail, wouldnt matter where the site popped up, so please dont misunderstand, i dont condone, i dont agree, i think if its wrong for one, its wrong for all.

Originally Posted by mhailey

NO. Italian restaurants serve Italian food, because they are an Italian restaurant specializing in that cuisine. THEY DO NOT ONLY SERVE ITIALIANS. That is illegal.

Your argument boils down the assertion that because blacks were discriminated against in the past, they can now discriminate against others. Poor argument.

Matt

Well, actually my point was that somegroups have resorted to banding together to promote/protect their interests because they have been, and continue to be, discriminated against. Kinda like how some Jewish folks belong to Jewish organizations; and kinda like how some black folks belong to the NAACP; and why some Catholic folks belong to...I think I made my point.

Originally Posted by mhailey

Your argument boils down the assertion that because blacks were discriminated against in the past, they can now discriminate against others.

More accurately, his argument boils down to (I believe, please correct me if I am wrong) the fact that due to (among other things) past discrimination, there is NOT a truly "equal" and level playing field. As such, this group bands together to attempt to eliminate the inequality in the employment realm.

Once there is equality, using race as a factor will be wrong across the board, perhaps. Saying that because the Civil Rights Act passed, and there is technical legal "equality," no further action to eliminate the real disparaity between opportunity afforded to many people of color is necessary or indeed permitted is a mistaken view at best, in my not terribly humble opinion.

This thing is set up by Careerbuilder.

It is merely a new marketing channel for them. I feel like it is capitalizing on discrimination and that is the real issue for me.

The idea is Repulsive.

I hope I am wrong.

-Rob

One other point: does the site say anything about excluding non african americans?

Originally Posted by smokelaw1

More accurately, his argument boils down to (I believe, please correct me if I am wrong) the fact that due to (among other things) past discrimination, there is NOT a truly "equal" and level playing field. As such, this group bands together to attempt to eliminate the inequality in the employment realm.

Once there is equality, using race as a factor will be wrong across the board, perhaps. Saying that because the Civil Rights Act passed, and there is technical legal "equality," no further action to eliminate the real disparaity between opportunity afforded to many people of color is necessary or indeed permitted is a mistaken view at best, in my not terribly humble opinion.

Still a poor argument. You cannot justify discrimination in some circumstances, while deamonizing is in others. If it is okay for blacks to dicriminate then it should be okay for whites to discriminate. If it illegal for whites to discrminate, then it should be illegal for blacks to discrminate. You will never have equality by justifying dscrimination.

Last month I was looking for a hotel in Brighton. I came across what looked like a pretty decent and cool place, only to find that it was billed as 'Brighton's best gay hotel'. It got me thinking, why the hell would you need a gay hotel?

Then a week later there was an article all over the British press about a gay couple who were turned away from the door of a small B&B having already booked a room: BBC News - Gay couple turned away from B&B in Cookham

OK, I thought. That's why there's a need for gay hotels!

Same principle here?

Originally Posted by mhailey

Still a poor argument. You cannot justify discrimination in some circumstances, while deamonizing is in others. If it is okay for blacks to dicriminate then it should be okay for whites to discriminate. If it illegal for whites to discrminate, then it should be illegal for blacks to discrminate. You will never have equality by justifying dscrimination.

Interesting. So, should there be protected classes at all? Should empoyemnt discrimination based on race be illegal in the first place?

If yes, then those who were (by the existance of the law above) disenfranchised by this discrimination ought not be able to take any steps to help themsleves? The simple legally enforced "equality" should be good enough for them, and they should be happy to be legally "equal" while in reality, still living in a society where there is still inequality based on race?

If a site gave information giving Whites the best places to wrok for whites, that's completely legal, is it not? If those places then discrinimated based on race, THAT would be illegal. (opr are we talking moral here? right/wrong? That's a whole different argument....but one I'm guessing we'll still disagree on)

Who said blacks are discriminating here, by offering information to others? Again, if a site called white-4-hire wanted to give links to great low-diversity workplaces, there would be no (legal) problem with it. There is a report on that site discussing workplaces that have succeeded in creating a culture of diversity. This seems like valuable information for an African-American job seeker, doesn't it? Does supplying him or her with this information seem discriminaroty to you? Finding companies that are NOT discriminating?

I'm honestly trrying to understand what your problem with this site is.

Originally Posted by northpaw

There are still a few such organizations.

Thank you, I was so afraid that I would open this up and find a picture of the Klan!