Thread: Big hub-bub in Arizona right now...

driving through arizona last july i went through several border patrol stops....and one lady asked me if there was anyone else in the truck besides myself and my roommate.

Don't fall for it guys, this is a political play here on both sides...

One point that is getting lost in the shuffle is that LEO's can stop and ask anyone for ID in just about Anytown USA,,, you are supposed to be carrying an ID all the times if you cannot prove who you are they can detain you until you can ... These laws are just about everywhere, just because they are not enforced doesn't mean they are not on the books...

What Arizona is doing is pushing the Federal hand a bit, they are looking for more money to enforce the border....

Remove yourself from the emotional part of this and you will see both sides game as plain as day....

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Don't fall for it guys, this is a political play here on both sides...

This is an interesting view on the subject: GOP Game to Swipe the November Election

Actually many cities and states have policy specifically declaring themselves immigrant friendly cities and states and have ordered their law-enforcement people to specifically not assist Immigration authorities and specifically to do nothing if they encounter illegals.

As far as Arizona goes I predict it will be a law that will never be enforced. The first time they pull someone over who is a U.S Citizen who speaks no english and the arrest them they will be sued so bad that will end it. Also they simply have no authority to enforce Immigration laws no different than if they passed a law saying they can make treaties with foreign countries. If they arrest illegals and call ICE to get them ICE will simply say no and then what are they going to do? Are they going to deport them themselves? I see more lawsuits and what happens when they deport a U.S Citizen?

The problem with this law is anyone that looks Hispanic and may be considered illegal is pulled over, stopped in the street while on a walk with their kids, etc., and then asked for all kinds of paper work proving their legal to live in USA. This is racial profiling and is against our constitution. My sister is of Hispanic descent and to think if she was born here she could be pulled over in AZ and asked for all these papers she doesn't even own is pretty much downright scary. What kind of process are you put through if you're living here for two generations and look spanish but don't have paper work because it's misplaced or you moved several times, etc? Are you put in some kind of retention until the law enforcement department in the area looks into your family background and birth certificates? That's just ludicrous....

I'm sorry, but this is America and to profile people like this is racist and down right unAmerican. It's shameful to think this kind of thinking still exists in this country after all we've been through with trying to make all kinds of people accepted here. I am sickened when I walk around in my town and hear people say things about "Stupid Mexicans" when those people may not even be Mexican, they can be American with non-Mexican blood or what ever, just a different form of Spanish ancestry. It's just another form of hate and it's not 1907 anymore.

We need to find a way to stop the issue of people just coming over to have a future in this country without getting an citizenship, that I agree with, but this is just wrong.

Personally, I think it's a silly law.

There are much more productive ways to curb illegal immigration. For example, streamline the process to become a legal citizen. If my lineage had to jump through the hoops that today's immigrants go through, I might not be a U.S. citizen myself. We should consider that maybe this problem exists because we have a flawed system.

Impose stronger penalties on employers who hire illegal immigrants. If they couldn't find work here then they wouldn't risk their lives crossing the border. People argue that there are American jobs taken by illegal citizens, and I agree that this is a travesty, but let's not overlook the fact that many companies abandoned good ol' American help to set up facilities in other countries to take advantage of cheap labor.

Also remember that our founding fathers were illegal immigrants, too!

What's killing me here is the fact that everyone's trying to make it out to be racist. The law is just to try to cut down on the number of illegals in Arizona. If there was a problem with other groups or races entering the state illegally it would be just as big of an issue.

Originally Posted by bulldog

What's killing me here is the fact that everyone's trying to make it out to be racist. The law is just to try to cut down on the number of illegals in Arizona. If there was a problem with other groups or races entering the state illegally it would be just as big of an issue.

And of course it's racist. Do you think the Arizona police will be on the look out for pretty blond hookers from Russia? Well I mean maybe they will but not to send back to Russia.