I'm Not Sayin...I'm Just Sayin

**TheZ** · 04-09-2011, 02:37 AM

I think the whole thing's just ridiculous, but I would point out that from what I have read, the soldiers will be compensated, it is just that if the government is still shut down at the end of the pay period, they will not receive the money until the government reopens. Not a good thing, but not nearly as bad as not getting paid at all.

**1OldGI** · 04-09-2011, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by gugi

You've got to explain to me how is this his fault? Isn't it the job of the congress to give him the money? What happened with the mandate that the american voters gave on the last elections to make the government smaller? Here's small government.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if Obama says poop the Democrats in Congress will squat and say how much. As Commander in Chief he should have at least used this leverage to ensure the kids getting shot at were at least making a living. Yes, it is and was the Democrat controlled Congress that was supposed to have passed this budget not later than 01 October 2010. They apparently sluffed that deadline off to ensure that Obama's medical care debacle was crammed down people's throats. This isn't smaller government this is absolute stupidity! We've got $2 Billion to loan to Brazilian Oil interests owned by George Soros so they can bolster their operations in the Gulf of Mexico, while Obama's assanine moritorium on American oil drilling remains in place but we can't pay kids that are putting their lives on the line for this country? Sorry Dude but this is just plain damn wrong.

Originally Posted by gugi

From what I understand the issue is that we're broke, so we'll borrow 1 500 billion dollars and will under no circumstance borrow 10 billion extra, because those 10 billion pay for things our political half doesn't like, so let's punish everybody until the other political half learns their lesson and cries 'uncle'..

All we here from state controlled media is about the Republican attack on women's health. Isn't this cats A$$ medical reform bill supposed to cover all that? So if we can't pay for abortions with tax payer dollars we can't pay soldiers? During the Obama Care debate the right was told that "Elections have consequences" so sit down and shut up. Why does that only work one way? It doesn't take a genius to figure out that we're broke and cannot sustain our current spending levels. I applaud efforts to cut spending and in case you are wondering the DoD has already given up more than their fair share. Besides getting their lowest pay raise since 1961 this year. Many benefits are on the chopping block and taxes on military retirements mysteriously increased by $40 a month because "the tax tables had been re-drawn". What's more, despite a higher operations tempo than any time in history, there was another round of personnel cuts to the tune of around 100,000 people. On top of all that, we can't even pay the people that are still out their in the $hit. This is should be a national disgrace but the liberal left see's more value in the use of abortions as birth control than it does in someone fighting to defend freedom.

Originally Posted by gugi

What if all those GIs come back and find good paying jobs in the home country. If national security is the problem, may be tasking them with effectively protecting the borders, as well as dealing with the existing internal threads would be something that would cost less and pose less risk than running several wars abroad?

I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. If you're in the military and you don't get paid, you can't simply take your ball and go home. Nor can you walk off the job. At worst (in a combat command) desertion is punishable by life in prison or a death sentence. At best, (in a stateside command not involved in tactical operations) desertion is a felony conviction that will result in jail time (and oh good luck getting a decent job if you're a convicted felon.) Where will all the homecoming heroes find all these good jobs? Will we ship them back home to China? I don't disagree that we should get out of the Middle East at the earliest opportunity. It would seem that no matter how many of our kids die over there or leave arms and legs over there, or how much of our money we pump into their corrupt governments, our efforts will never be appreciated and America will always be the great Satan. At the end of the day, we're all just pork eating infidels that should be systematically slaughtered. That's just plain old truth. As much as the Old GI in me hates to bail in the middle of the fight, it's obvious our country will not tolerate the level of brutality necessary to win a war with these people and winning hearts and minds no matter how well intended, is totally out of the question in that part of the world. I would further agree that our military would be better used to secure our borders and defend our own country. While we're at it how about canning the Kumbaya garbage and bolster our nuclear arsenal because regardless of what they might say, our nuclear adversaries are not inclined to string love beads and join hands. However, at the end of the day, whatever role they would be used in they will likely not do the job for free.

PS: If Obama keeps this up, the 5 Democrats currently on active duty with the U.S. military will probably vote Republican next time out.

PPS: If you'd like to hear some of my ideas for REAL budget cuts, PM me as this one will likely be a bit caustic for public display.

**1OldGI** · 04-09-2011, 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by TheZ

I think the whole thing's just ridiculous, but I would point out that from what I have read, the soldiers will be compensated, it is just that if the government is still shut down at the end of the pay period, they will not receive the money until the government reopens. Not a good thing, but not nearly as bad as not getting paid at all.

Yes they will get back pay once the situation gets unf#$ked but what do you say to that deployed GI's family that needs his paycheck to eat on or pay bills with? Kids, we'll have to fast until the quizzlings in Washington decide to pay your Dad. Oh, Mr. Lanlord, I know our rent it due but we got no paycheck this month so we were hoping that you'd be a sport and let us slide for a while.

How bout this, since most of our elected representatives have plenty of dirty money coming in and were likely millionaires when they got elected how about a bipartisan relief fund for indigent GIs. 100% of each member of the House and Senate's pay each payday donated to help these people out until Washington can resolve it's rectal cranial inversion. Where the hell are Bono and George Clooney on this one? Oh that's right they'd never raise money for symbols of American arrogance and imperialism.

**Kingfish** · 04-09-2011, 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by gugi

Last year the NY state failed to pass a budget even though the senators had to go without pay. The thing is that those with the actual power couldn't care less for their government pay - they get enough money from other sources. All I'm saying is that KISS doesn't work the way one my imagine. Here's a quote I quite like:

"I will go line by line and Veto....." do you remember that promise? He is smart enough to at least know what is right, but our leader clearly does not want to get his hands dirty and ruin his chances of getting re-elected. Obama had a chance to show that he cared about our boys in the military, but he did not show any leadership on that one either.
The Senate has had years to fix this budget problems but clearly care more about their jobs more than our boys and that is going to bite them in the A$$. These guys need to show some Country first real soon before they flush us all down the toilette. That is not stupid it is just common sense and most folk that I talk to can understand that the passionate issues need to be debated later when we get back on some solid ground.

**TheZ** · 04-09-2011, 03:35 AM