Thread: this aint right

Originally Posted by Jimbo

I'm just saying wouldn't it be nice?

It sure would

Now back to reality!

Originally Posted by MickR

I'm sorry. Was that a personal attack?



Mick

No, I'm simply pointing out the fact that you seem to want to dismiss the opinions of more than 99% of all climate scientists that man made greenhouse gasses are largely responsible for a dramatic shift in global temperature.

Originally Posted by joesixpack

opinion of 99% of all climate scientists

Can you provide a source for the statistic and a definition of climate scientist please?

Originally Posted by elbonator

Theory remains theory.

Chris

You're confusing "theory" with "hypothesis"

Originally Posted by HNSB

Can you provide a source for the statistic and a definition of climate scientist please?

Sorry, make that 90%. Here's something I found after a ten second google search. Though I'm certain I could find a source that finds closer to 99% if I spend more time.

Originally Posted by joesixpack

Sorry, make that 90%. Here's something I found after a ten second google search. Though I'm certain I could find a source that finds closer to 99% if I spend more time.

Actually that link is only a report on the publication. Also, the report says that 82% of "earth scientists" (which it does not define) answered yes to the question, "has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures?" (not 90%). So far, the trend is the more time I spend looking for a source that gives me the statistics I want, the more of them I find

The above-linked report of the American Geophysical Union's Eos publication also states that 10% of the "earth scientists" did not even believe mean global temperatures have risen compared to pre-1800s levels regardless of cause

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Actually that link is only a report on the publication.

I'm not certain what were you hoping I'd link to. Would you like a link to all the earth scientists so that you could compile the statistics yourself? The link is a press release from the University of Illinois at Chicago about a survey conducted by an associate professor and a graduate student. I'm sure you can find the actual survey results. In fact here is the actual paper as a PDF. That also took about 10 seconds to find.

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Also, the report says that 82% of "earth scientists" (which it does not define) answered yes to the question, "has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures?" (not 90%). So far, the trend is the more time I spend looking for a source that gives me the statistics I want, the more of them I find

The above-linked report of the American Geophysical Union's Eos publication also states that 10% of the "earth scientists" did not even believe mean global temperatures have risen compared to pre-1800s levels regardless of cause

"Doran found that climatologists who are active in research showed the strongest consensus on the causes of global warming, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role." I'd call that pretty damning consensus among the people who are ACTUALLY studying climate.

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

...also states that 10% of the "earth scientists" did not even believe mean global temperatures have risen compared to pre-1800s levels regardless of cause...

Look at the nice graph on that page and you'll see that that is pretty short of the truth.

I agree with everything you just said, and thanks for finding the actual paper for Eric. Here's another bit from that article: "Petroleum geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 and 64 percent respectively believing in human involvement."

It still seems like the longer we look for numbers we want (I estimate we have spent a total of about 45 seconds combined searching for statistics so far) the more we find.

I guess the thrust of my point is that dismissing human involvement as a relevant factor in global warming is not restricted to the unqualified as you seemed to suggest earlier. For my part, I will admit my own contribution to helping warm this thread which was once in danger of cooling

For the southern states, 4 inches is bad enough, but even way up here in New Hampshire, a major snowstorm in October is unusual. Some parts of the Granite State got 24 inches. And oh yeah, it was in the mid sixties last week.

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Is this thread heating up due to natural causes or is it manmade?

I thought people were natural? My bad.


The climate has been in a constant flux since its inception. Yes I believe climate change is real. Do I believe that man is wholly or even significantly responsible? NO. Mother Earth is going to do as she damn well pleases.

Despite our egos we are really insignificant in the larger order of things.