Thread: this aint right

Originally Posted by joesixpack

Sorry, make that 90%. Here's something I found after a ten second google search. Though I'm certain I could find a source that finds closer to 99% if I spend more time.

Actually that link is only a report on the publication. Also, the report says that 82% of "earth scientists" (which it does not define) answered yes to the question, "has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures?" (not 90%). So far, the trend is the more time I spend looking for a source that gives me the statistics I want, the more of them I find

The above-linked report of the American Geophysical Union's Eos publication also states that 10% of the "earth scientists" did not even believe mean global temperatures have risen compared to pre-1800s levels regardless of cause

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Actually that link is only a report on the publication.

I'm not certain what were you hoping I'd link to. Would you like a link to all the earth scientists so that you could compile the statistics yourself? The link is a press release from the University of Illinois at Chicago about a survey conducted by an associate professor and a graduate student. I'm sure you can find the actual survey results. In fact here is the actual paper as a PDF. That also took about 10 seconds to find.

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Also, the report says that 82% of "earth scientists" (which it does not define) answered yes to the question, "has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures?" (not 90%). So far, the trend is the more time I spend looking for a source that gives me the statistics I want, the more of them I find

The above-linked report of the American Geophysical Union's Eos publication also states that 10% of the "earth scientists" did not even believe mean global temperatures have risen compared to pre-1800s levels regardless of cause

"Doran found that climatologists who are active in research showed the strongest consensus on the causes of global warming, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role." I'd call that pretty damning consensus among the people who are ACTUALLY studying climate.

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

...also states that 10% of the "earth scientists" did not even believe mean global temperatures have risen compared to pre-1800s levels regardless of cause...

Look at the nice graph on that page and you'll see that that is pretty short of the truth.

I agree with everything you just said, and thanks for finding the actual paper for Eric. Here's another bit from that article: "Petroleum geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 and 64 percent respectively believing in human involvement."

It still seems like the longer we look for numbers we want (I estimate we have spent a total of about 45 seconds combined searching for statistics so far) the more we find.

I guess the thrust of my point is that dismissing human involvement as a relevant factor in global warming is not restricted to the unqualified as you seemed to suggest earlier. For my part, I will admit my own contribution to helping warm this thread which was once in danger of cooling

Originally Posted by wvloony

alright i have seen my share of crazy weather, so nothing should surprise me, but when i see 4 inches of snow in oct. i begin to worry about things, now not that unusual in other areas of this great country of ours, but in west virginia, in the low lands at that, well, i am now waiting to see when the locust are going to come, and mind you i really strongly dislike snow.

I just got off the phone with a friend living in North Dakota near the Canadian Border. He said that since early this morning the snow has been coming down, it is nearly waist high and is still falling. The temperature is dropping way below zero and the north wind is increasing to near gale force. His wife has done nothing all afternoon but look through the kitchen window and just stare. He says that if it gets much worse, he may have to let her in.

Carbon Regulation Default Swaps. Once really large sums of money enter the Game. It's hard to tell who's right or wrong . Or why it all came about in the first place. Look what happened with Banking and the Credit Default Thing. Not to be paranoid, but big money changes everything. What's a law, what's a truth, what's.......

...Money to someone like me?! Not much at all really!


Mick

Originally Posted by Johnus

Not to be paranoid, but big money changes everything.

Except the laws of nature.