Thread: Another Constitutional Crisis

Bull. Look at the contortions you're having to do to try to make the case that this isn't a tax. The tax collecting agency is taking money from you. You can call it a fee, a fine, or a purple unicorn fart, it's still a tax. When the government takes stuff from you, it's a tax, period, full-stop.

Originally Posted by Kantian Pragmatist

Bull. Look at the contortions you're having to do to try to make the case that this isn't a tax. The tax collecting agency is taking money from you. You can call it a fee, a fine, or a purple unicorn fart, it's still a tax. When the government takes stuff from you, it's a tax, period, full-stop.

Bull? So when the government says it isn't a tax I'm not supposed to believe them? Then when they say it is a tax I AM supposed to believe them? I'm the one going through contortions? I don't think so.

Since when do you believe anything the government says anyway? Especially when it's the "evil, librul, babyeating Demoncrats" saying stuff. Surely you're smart enough to figure out that when the government takes money from you, that it's a tax. Some taxes can be avoided by not doing things, like you can avoid paying property taxes by not owning taxable property, and some taxes can be avoided or minimized by doing other things, like having kids to increase your income tax deductions, or giving to charities to exempt that portion of your income, or by buying health insurance.

No, you're gonna condemn the policy because of some rhetoric, which has no effect whatsoever on how the policy actually works, rather than addressing how the policy actually works. You are so determined to oppose anything that Obama or self-described liberals or progressives support that you don't even care what the policy actually does. I doubt you even know what it means to be conservative aside from absolute opposition to anything liberals believe. I wonder if Obama said the sky was blue, would you be condemning him for his socialistic tyranny in trying to control the weather and standardize the perception of colors?

WRONG, COMPLETELY WRONG. I do look at what the policy actually does. Obamacare is going to bring down the best healthcare system in the world and reduce it to what the Brits and Canadians have. Why do you think so many of them come here now? They come here to avoid the long lines or to get LIFESAVING care that their country won't give them.

The Brits have a quota for their dentists. They are only paid for a certain amount of procedures a year. When that quota is fulfilled, they go on vacation. Why do you think the Brits have such notoriously bad teeth? They have the best teeth their government can afford, which happens to be horrible.

Where is the 70 Trillion over the next 10 years going to come from for Obamacare? Answer, NOWHERE! The result, healthcare rationing for everyone. They are already stealing half a trillion from the old people and it won't be enough by a long shot. Reduce costs? My ass. It ALWAYS cost more when a program is administered by the government because they load the system with extra bureaucrats making 100+ thousand a year and stupid rules out the ass.

The Government runs Social Security -> BANKRUPT.

The Government runs Medicare -> BANKRUPT.

The Government runs Medicaid -> BANKRUPT.

The Government runs Fannie Mae -> BANKRUPT.

They need to get out of the way and let us live.

Originally Posted by Kantian Pragmatist

Since when do you believe anything the government says anyway? Especially when it's the "evil, librul, babyeating Demoncrats" saying stuff. Surely you're smart enough to figure out that when the government takes money from you, that it's a tax. Some taxes can be avoided by not doing things, like you can avoid paying property taxes by not owning taxable property, and some taxes can be avoided or minimized by doing other things, like having kids to increase your income tax deductions, or giving to charities to exempt that portion of your income, or by buying health insurance.

No, you're gonna condemn the policy because of some rhetoric, which has no effect whatsoever on how the policy actually works, rather than addressing how the policy actually works. You are so determined to oppose anything that Obama or self-described liberals or progressives support that you don't even care what the policy actually does. I doubt you even know what it means to be conservative aside from absolute opposition to anything liberals believe. I wonder if Obama said the sky was blue, would you be condemning him for his socialistic tyranny in trying to control the weather and standardize the perception of colors?

So now you're just going to outright lie? Brits have bad teeth? Nice stereotype there. The British have fewer cavities and missing or damaged teeth per person than Americans do. And everything else you say about how much Obamacare costs taxpayers or the financial health of those government agencies is a flat lie. I think we're more than done here.

I'd like to ask the moderators to put a stop to these kinds of political posts. They don't help anybody make up their minds about any of these issues, and are just an opportunity for smears and name-calling. When you start from the position that the other side is evil, degenerate, and incorrigibly ignorant, there's no where else to go. There's no discussion that can be had, and no consensus to be found. There are plenty of other places on the Internet to outrageously bash and denigrate whoever you want as much as you want.

Lies? No. Put a stop to these posts? Only because you are losing.

If you don't like this thread, don't reply.

Originally Posted by Kantian Pragmatist

So now you're just going to outright lie? Brits have bad teeth? Nice stereotype there. The British have fewer cavities and missing or damaged teeth per person than Americans do. And everything else you say about how much Obamacare costs taxpayers or the financial health of those government agencies is a flat lie. I think we're more than done here.

I'd like to ask the moderators to put a stop to these kinds of political posts. They don't help anybody make up their minds about any of these issues, and are just an opportunity for smears and name-calling. When you start from the position that the other side is evil, degenerate, and incorrigibly ignorant, there's no where else to go. There's no discussion that can be had, and no consensus to be found. There are plenty of other places on the Internet to outrageously bash and denigrate whoever you want as much as you want.

Dude.

I'm not really sure how moderators put a stop to certain kinds of posts. Maybe if a person includes certain key words in their post they're automatically banned? Seems totally legit.

I do know one way to avoid certain kinds of posts. How about not responding to them?

Sure, and let the off-topic forums become a haven for extremist conservative hate and vitriol. Politics is specifically called out in the terms of service as a topic to be very careful with or avoid, and to avoid offensive or derogatory posts. The same with religion. How long would you tolerate threads by atheists that called the religious dangerous, corrupting, amoral, superstitious idiots? This is no different, and if posters can't refrain from being offensive and derogatory about politics and religion, then topics surrounding politics and religion should be banned. Let The Conversation be about driving tests and new rifles for sale and hunting seasons.

There once were two cats of Kilkenny
Each thought there was one cat too many
So they fought and they fit
And they scratched and they bit
'Til (excepting their nails
And the tips of their tails)
Instead of two cats there weren't any!

Cant we all just get along?