Thread: Ultimate Test of Civility ~ 2nd Amendment

Actually I bet he would have gooen away with the whole thing in court as there wouldn't be any witnesses to counter his explanation of the evidence.

Of course this whole scene has nothing to do with justice (though it may have been) but is only there to show you how big and dangerous a shark was swimming in the ocean while the thugs were little more than jellyfish to him.


I guess the question reaised her is not wether the action of the last shot was legal (it was not) but wether the action of the last shot could be considered moral, or ethical.

I feel that if some dumbasspunk is going to threaten to take my life he has just thrown his life into the pool as well. If it turns out that I actually have the better hand and end up defending myself succesfully it is only right that he looses the whole pot as it is only what he threatened to take from me.

With all due respect. lets allow this one
to end as well. The razors are getting
lonely and in need of attention....


Terry

Originally Posted by Wildtim

Actually I bet he would have gooen away with the whole thing in court as there wouldn't be any witnesses to counter his explanation of the evidence.

While there weren't any obvious witnesses, those pesky surveillance cameras make great witnesses in court. We are so used to them, most folks don't even notice them anymore.

I agree with Josh that shooting with that level of speed and accuracy takes a lot of time at the range to develop.

Originally Posted by urleebird

And a trial? I hope your idea of a fair trial doesn't mean a duplication of the one for OJ Simpson. I don't know why I get the impression that is what you really mean by fair.

I am also curious. I'm not quite sure if you are trying to stimulate honest answers through debate, or just goad people into responding harshly. I'd kinda like to know where you got the 99% from, as well. Are you privy to some information that the rest of us don't have. I, personally, don't think that number is accurate. Then again, I may not know as much as you.

I hope that response was polite enough for everybody... If you don't like this one, I know you won't like the rest of them...

Bill,

I don't think I am privy to more information than you are. Just simple arithmatics you can do as well. Just take e.g. Egypt. I believe that is the country where terrorist Atta was born. Google will tell you Egypt has approx. 70 million inhabitants. With a 99% peace loving population the country could still harbour 700.000 terrorists. AFAIK the Arab world as a whole does not harbour that many known terrorists.

Re. O.J. Simpson: he got a fair trial by U.S. standards. The fact that you do not like the verdict of the jury does not make it an unfair trial. There's more unfairness to the U.S. administration of justice. How about a black murderer having a higher chance of a death penalty than a white person? Is that fair?

The last paragraph of you that I quoted I'll consider not written. I usually ignore patronizing statements.

Re. O.J. Simpson: he got a fair trial by U.S. standards. The fact that you do not like the verdict of the jury does not make it an unfair trial. There's more unfairness to the U.S. administration of justice.

So, if I have this staight, you think it's ok that a guilty man who gets away with a murder of two people is justified because of your perceived notion that other blacks have been unfairly dealt with. Why does that not surprise me. If that trial is an indication of what any system of justice is all about, it needs to be scrapped.

How about a black murderer having a higher chance of a death penalty than a white person? Is that fair?

No. Now what?

AFAIK the Arab world as a whole does not harbour that many known terrorists.

That's just it. You don't know.

Oh... and I don't really care what you do or don't respond to.

Originally Posted by urleebird

That's just it. You don't know.

Bill,

So, do you? You seem to think all Arabs are terrorists. The trouble is most Arabs think all U.S. citizens are terrorists because the U.S. condone Isreal's violence against Palestinians, because the U.S. invaded Iraq because of a lie (weapons of mass destruction).
The way you look at this world seems related to which TV news you watch (CNN vs Al Jazeera), what country you live in and what religion you preach.

BTW, in the U.S. live 40 million muslims, some of them Arab immigrants. Are they all terrorists as well?

Wouldn't we live in a wonderful world if all were as straight forward as straight razor shaving?

So, if I have this staight, you think it's ok that a guilty man who gets away with a murder of two people is justified because of your perceived notion that other blacks have been unfairly dealt with. Why does that not surprise me. If that trial is an indication of what any system of justice is all about, it needs to be scrapped.

If the DA's office was so inept that they couldn't prove that he was guilty beyond reasonable doubt then the trial was fair, unless you want to scrap democracy/the constitution and switch to a summary justice and guilt by implication system.

That's just it. You don't know.

Neither do you, Bill. If that's the kind of "information" you've been receiving from your media sources, no wonder you think that every Arab is out to get you and your family. Talk about a lack of journalistic integrity.

I will concede one point to you Bill. The reason OJ got away with it was because he had plenty of money to buy top notch legal representation. A poor person accused of the same crime, based on the same evidence, regardless of his or her race would have been railroaded into 25 to life. That brings us back to our discussions about the benefits/evils of a money-dominated society and social equality.

Ok... I've grown weary of you two.

Let me simple down for both of you. No, I don't know how many terrorists there are. I just never pretended to know that I did... like you. My statements were pretty straight forward all along, and, no matter how simple those answers were, it seems like your collective disdain for the U.S. forced you to find an argument against whatever it is that we as a country did or didn't do. You can no longer pretend that your bias against Americans doesn't exist. I don't care what either of you say to the contrary.

Other than continually bad mouth the United States, and those of us who believe in the security and freedom of our country, none of you malcontents have offered a solution to the terrorism sustained by this country. Nor have either of you offered a direction to head to solve the problem. It is clear what side of the fence both of you are on. I believe both of you want terrorists to win to teach the United States some kind of lesson. You can't deny that because of all the things you have said in this thread.

Neither one of you is paying attention because you just want the US to be the bad guy... no matter what. You have made that so so so obvious in almost everything you say. The World Trade Center was not the first attack, or did you forget? More than 3,000 people die in a single act of terrorism and the first thing out of your mouths is that you want some kind of fair trial.

Neither do you, Bill. If that's the kind of "information" you've been receiving from your media sources, no wonder you think that every Arab is out to get you and your family. Talk about a lack of journalistic integrity.

It's really hard to continue to be polite when you say things like this. Show me anywhere where I have said that I knew how many terrorists there were. Where? Where? Where? I never said that I thought all Arabs were out to get me. Show me that. What journalistic integrity are you talking about? You tell ME how many terrorists there are. Can't you get it in your heads that it just doesn't matter? If you choose to stand next to terrorists, that's on you. After all that has been said on this thread, neither of you two could possibly convince me that you are not on the sidelines hoping and praying for a United States downfall.

I will concede one point to you Bill. The reason OJ got away with it was because he had plenty of money to buy top notch legal representation.

Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about.

A poor person accused of the same crime, based on the same evidence, regardless of his or her race would have been railroaded into 25 to life.

SIMPSON WAS GUILTY! So how would someone else who was guilty be railroaded into a 25 year sentence? You are saying this stuff for no other reason than you want to believe it? Just spit it out... "I hate the United States." Tell the truth... set yourself free.

...because the U.S. condone Isreal's violence against Palestinians, because the U.S. invaded Iraq because of a lie (weapons of mass destruction).

When we first started this thread, I thought you were intelligent. I have changed my mind.

Well, Bill, I don't hate the US and I'm sorry you got that impression. Just because I think there are things that can be done to make a country better doesn't mean I hate it. Most of my issues come from the fact that a small number of violent and greedy bastards wields too much power. Most US citizens are not like that and are decent hard working people that I can get along with even if we have different political/economic opinions. I also like many parts of the culture and parts of the land itself.
Just because I am against an almost constant state of warfare, certain domestic/foreign economic policies and possession of items specifically designed to kill humans doesn't mean I hate you or your country.