Thread: Wisconsin Unrecall

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

If the money came from the little people with small donations you would be correct however most came from out of state bankrolled by wealthy individuals and corporations. They couldn't care less who the Governor was as long as he was Right Wing and did what they wanted.

Isn't big labor guilty of the same offense on the other side of the aisle? What about organizations like ACORN (that until recently were funded by we the people through tax dollars) that for years have been nothing more than apparachiks of the liberal left. And lest we forget, Big Daddy George Soros who's tossed more money at the socialist, world government, liberal left than most of us combined will see in a life time. None of that is demonized or even discussed in the state controlled media. Why?

Now I'm just a simple Southern boy so maybe some of you more sophisticated fellas can help me out, but I don't understand why a politician runs for governor promising A, B, and C gets elected and does exactly A, B, and C and the reaction from big labor (and the liberal left) is...Man, we gotta fire this guy immediately! Looks to me like special interest groups faced with a governor who apparently wouldn't kiss their arse or play old boy network.

The problem is the right wing agenda used to get themselves elected both in the Congress and Statehouses was Jobs but instead they mainly went about with a social agenda. I don't think Mr Wisconsin said he was going to eliminate unions when he was campaigning.

His goal has not been to eliminate unions. No unions have been eliminated. He just reduced their power and and forced them to contribute to their own benefits.

Federal workers should not be in unions anyway. It doesn't make sense for public workers to form a group against US.

Why should Fed Workers not be in unions? They do not have the right to strike or negotiate for pay and benefits that all is done by Congress. It's all about getting better working conditions and settling squabbles between labor and Mgmt. Also you do not have to join if you so wish it and the union has to represent all employees members or not if the employee wishes it.

When mgmt screws someone out of overtime pay he earned or some manager decides he doesn't like an individual and just goes after him because he can that's when the union matters.

You all know when you look at it as a them against us issue you are playing into the hands of the wealthy. Divide and conquer. If increasing numbers of middle class folks (no matter who they work for) continue to have wages and benefits decreased what do you think the chances of YOU doing better are? It's like your sitting on the deck of the Titanic after it hit the iceberg watching folks jump into the water and disappear enjoying the spectacle not realizing that in an hour or so it's gonna be your turn.

And who's there to defend the workers when the union (which is often a bigger, more evil entity than the corporation) screws them over?

I'll take my chances with the union, did so for more than 30 years. When it's raining razor blades even a cloth hat is better than nothing.

Bob

I have no use for unions AT ALL. Unions use dues for political contributions whether their membership agrees with the candidate or not.

I don't like the way they can force their way into a business. They should not be allowed to come into a private business. If the people don't like the pay or working conditions there they are free to move on.

I DO NOT agree with the new rules making union votes public allowing the union to pressure people that vote again them. It should be a secret ballot.

The unions have had things their own way for far too long. No, there are businesses that will not allow you to work unless you are a union member, like broadcasters. This is wrong. Try working for the phone company without being a union member.

Federal workers are very often in positions that have to do with public safety, like air traffic controllers. They should not be allowed to strike and put air passengers in jeopardy by doing so.

Public employees should not be allowed to strike. I agree with the way Reagan handled the air traffic strikes, just fired all of them.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

You all know when you look at it as a them against us issue you are playing into the hands of the wealthy. Divide and conquer. If increasing numbers of middle class folks (no matter who they work for) continue to have wages and benefits decreased what do you think the chances of YOU doing better are? It's like your sitting on the deck of the Titanic after it hit the iceberg watching folks jump into the water and disappear enjoying the spectacle not realizing that in an hour or so it's gonna be your turn.

This exactly. It's all fun and games till it's your turn again and again and again.

Bob

well iam part of a union , unions played a big role in shaping america. if we didnt have unions who would stand up for the little guy?

Unions interfere with the free market. They force corporations to raise wages whether the market can sustain them or not. As a result US manufacturing can not compete with the rest of the world.

Almost everything we use is made elsewhere now and you can blame only the corporations. When you have a auto factory worker making the equivalent of $130,000 / year it causes that business to fold or move their mfg. over seas. GM is proof of that. The outrageous pay and benefits killed the company. The same thing is happening to American Airlines.

Unions demand more and more until they bring the business down.

I don't care what unions did in the past. What matters is what they do now.