Thread: Wisconsin Unrecall

Originally Posted by MasterMason03

Give me a damn break. The GM bailout is a prime example of the greed and corruption the exemplifies Big Labor. Look at the auto plants in the south. Toyota, Honda, Nissan, and BMW are all union free shops and do you ever hear about their workers being mistreated? The answer is an affirmative no.

Yes, unions had their place at one time (The Triangle Shirt factory fire). As long as unions are still in control of education, the US will continue to decline in the world standing of the quality of education.

Also, back the GM thing. The Fed interfered and assured the UAW that the status quo would be maintained at GM. The right thing would have been for GM to have broken the unions contract and start over. The legacy cost alone for GM are bleeding the company dry. I do not think we have seen the last restructuring for GM. It will most definitely happen again.

And one more thing "bigspendur". When I hear "union" I think "socialist, Marxist, and communist. These schools of thought are not compatible with representative government and free enterprise. These unions come back to the table time and again and demand more and more and what is the result. Shuttered up factories and unemployed workers because Big Labor does not represent the needs of their members but caters to the political machinations of the radical Progressive Democrat Left.

Well, I guess the American worker will just have to have lower and lower wages so he can compete with the counterpart in S.E Asia and his life style will follow suite.

Like I said no one forced GM to give in to the unions. The companies were badly mismanaged and that is why they almost went broke. yes the auto plants in the South have happy contented workers earning a fraction of what auto workers used to get.

You want us to compete with the world? Then everything will meet the common point and the standard of living in this country will plummet which is what is happening right now.

You don't think the union contracts were restructured at GM? You think they are earning what they were before and their benefits are the same?

Yes, go ahead and blame the unions for the education situation here. it has nothing to do with parents who don't give a damn or kids who are only in school because the law says they have to be or the decreasing money the schools are getting or failed strategies of using testing to gauge progress.

You say when you hear union you think socialist and marxist etc. What do you think of when you here about the increasing wealth disparity in this country and decreasing standard of living for most folks and the decreasing opportunities and all the other problems this country has? yea I know it's all those leftists and progressive policies. I'm afraid your mind is too closed to discuss this further.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Well, I guess the American worker will just have to have lower and lower wages so he can compete with the counterpart in S.E Asia and his life style will follow suite.

Not true.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Like I said no one forced GM to give in to the unions. The companies were badly mismanaged and that is why they almost went broke.

Badly mismanaged, including giving the union too much.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

You want us to compete with the world? Then everything will meet the common point and the standard of living in this country will plummet which is what is happening right now.

Also not true.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Like I said no one forced GM to give in to the unions. The companies were badly mismanaged and that is why they almost went broke. yes the auto plants in the South have happy contented workers earning a fraction of what auto workers used to get.

I strongly disagree with this statement. Obama forced GM to give in to the unions. Obama's deal was for GM to give in to the unions in exchange for a large cash loan to keep the creditors from breaking GM up. What Obama did was completely against the law. He also forced the creditors to accept pennies on the dollar. What happened to the bankruptcy laws? Obama completely ignored them. He brought the creditors to the White House and told them, "the people with pitchforks are out there and I am the only thing holding them back".

If Obama had stayed out of it GM would be leaner and meaner. Now they are being forced to make "green" cars that no one is buying. They just postponed the crisis.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

If Obama had stayed out of it GM would be leaner and meaner. Now they are being forced to make "green" cars that no one is buying. They just postponed the crisis.

Crotalus - - SPOT ON!!!! Thank you for your uncommon sense. Wish that more folks could be as knowledgable.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

I strongly disagree with this statement. Obama forced GM to give in to the unions. Obama's deal was for GM to give in to the unions in exchange for a large cash loan to keep the creditors from breaking GM up. What Obama did was completely against the law. He also forced the creditors to accept pennies on the dollar. What happened to the bankruptcy laws? Obama completely ignored them. He brought the creditors to the White House and told them, "the people with pitchforks are out there and I am the only thing holding them back".

If Obama had stayed out of it GM would be leaner and meaner. Now they are being forced to make "green" cars that no one is buying. They just postponed the crisis.

The golden rule is the man with the gold makes the rules. The Obama people say they bought GM because the people in the private equity business didn't think it's worth as much and passed when they were offered to buy it.
If what he did is so against the law then all those people who suffered should sue him. What happened with that legendary american spirit of suing? If it was so bad they could've impeached him over it - nobody says that a president has to serve for their whole term.
I bet next you'll be blaming all those liberal judges who are ruining the country. Newt Gingrich had a great plan how to deal with those...

Originally Posted by Crotalus

I strongly disagree with this statement. Obama forced GM to give in to the unions. Obama's deal was for GM to give in to the unions in exchange for a large cash loan to keep the creditors from breaking GM up. What Obama did was completely against the law. He also forced the creditors to accept pennies on the dollar. What happened to the bankruptcy laws? Obama completely ignored them. He brought the creditors to the White House and told them, "the people with pitchforks are out there and I am the only thing holding them back".

If Obama had stayed out of it GM would be leaner and meaner. Now they are being forced to make "green" cars that no one is buying. They just postponed the crisis.

OK your correct. GM was a well managed company making quality cars, the kind everyone wanted and car manufacturers the world over wished they were like them.

The last I saw GM was making money hand over foot now. And I thought it was the Unions that gave up wages and benefits, silly me.

What the Govt did was to protect an awful lot of jobs. You think in bankruptcy things would have played out better? Who would have loaned them money in the private sector? The answer is no one and the entire industry would have gone down the tubes. Anyone who thinks the carmakers would have prospered on their own with private financing and court action is living in a fantasy world.

I'm with you no one is going to buy a green car. After all few people even like the color green. it went out of popularity years ago. maybe Henry Ford got away with selling only black cars but making only green ones now is a no win scenario. I wonder why Obama forced them to make green cars. maybe it's part of the flag of that other country where he was born eh?

its funny how some people in this thread are taking up for these big companys the same companys that look at us as numbers and treat us as such. if you like big companys you'll love big goverment and you'll probably vote obama in for a second term . i would rather die on my feet then live my life on my knees kissing the companys a$$!

I know, awfully juevenile but being a life long Blue Oval guy, I just couldn't resist:


I recently heard Obama has a 92% approval rating in France. I'd be happy to put him on the next thing smoking to Paris!

Originally Posted by eleblu05

if you like big companys you'll love big goverment and you'll probably vote obama in for a second term . i would rather die on my feet then live my life on my knees kissing the companys a$$!

Oh, and Romney is so much better? Bain Capital, anyone? If you vote for him you'd better pucker up bud, because he doesn't represent big business, he IS big business.

Originally Posted by Ryan82

Oh, and Romney is so much better? Bain Capital, anyone? If you vote for him you'd better pucker up bud, because he doesn't represent big business, he IS big business.

yeah thats the sad thing romney is obama lite . both candidates are big government/bowing down to big business.