Thread: President's Speech

It looked like only ABC carried the President's speech. To bad considering it was a very important subject. Although I can't find "global economy" in the USA consitution. I guess gradually going back to FDR, our government has been forcing us to accept a one world government or a one world leader. All he did durning the speech was state the question agian after it was asked and then really said nothing. Avoided qquestions and more or less just stumbled through the speech. Willard(Mitt) Romney doesn't look much better.

Proverbs 28:12 & 15 :"When righteous men do rejoice, there is great glory: but when the wicked rise, a man is hidden." "As a roaring lion, and a ranging bear; so is a wicked ruler over the poor people."

Colossians 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

I Corinthians 5:1-4 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures;"

Colossians 1:27 "To whom God would make know what is the riches of the glory of the mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory."

We need a third party in this country, and a leader that will direct us back tto the Lord Jesus Christ!

Originally Posted by razorjoe

We need a third party in this country

Yes!

Originally Posted by razorjoe

and a leader that will direct us back tto the Lord Jesus Christ!

No.

How about a leader that will continue to ensure you are free to worship as you choose to?

I'm not entirely sure a Government should lead a people toward a religion - seems to me that hasn't worked out too well for the world where it has been tried in the past (and present).

I would have thought the religious journey is a personal one. There are plenty of Christians, leaders or otherwise, out there to help you along your journey. I am sure you don't need a President to take on that role as well as everything else.

James.

Originally Posted by HNSB

Yes!


No.

How about a leader that will continue to ensure you are free to worship as you choose to?

Absolutely.

Originally Posted by razorjoe

We need a third party in this country, and a leader that will direct us back tto the Lord Jesus Christ!

We already have third parties and preachers who are supposedly trained to that very thing. Also for what it's worth the Bible also says in Romans 13 "there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God." So I guess if Obama is a power that be, he is already ordained of God - I'm going to have to get a new translation or else maybe it's just God working in mysterious ways! I'd hate to vote out God's ordained, but for Obama I'll make an exception!

As I cling to the guns I wish I had and my antipathy toward people who aren't like me

PS I almost forgot Jimmy Carter was a Christian Sunday School teacher. In my opinion he probably should have stayed one

Render to Caesar the thing that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's.
....and let's not forget : to love thy neighbor as thyself.

Seems that we've learned to pick and choose as we want.

Sorry it may take me sometime days before I can reply to a post. HNSB as far as leading you don,t need to make laws to lead, have you ever heard of the bullu pulpit (pulpit) where the captin gives orders on a ship. People always get scared if anyone metions God nowdays. Our whole countries heritage in from the Holy Scriptures. So Yes and Yes! As far as Gods anointed or ordained that is true Obama was ordained Clinton was ordained, and good old George Washington was ordained and a Bible Believeing Baptist also, and none of the fore mention presidents could hold a candle to him on both military and enconomics! So God heaaters and atheist or agonostics or even religous people that read my post don't have a heart attack or start foaming at the mouth when God and Government is mention once the wall to the temple was torn in Isreal, that was the end of a God State set up even when the age of salvation turned into the time of the Gentiles. I don't believe in a Church State set up type of Government and at this time neither does God (the Lord Jesus Christ) although in the futre when he comes back and destroies the UN. The Lord Jesus Christ will set up a 1,000 year reign in which he is the sole ruler he on the whole earth and no one will have anything to say about it. Amen! Merry Christmas Ho Ho Ho!

People always get scared if anyone metions God nowdays. Our whole countries heritage in from the Holy Scriptures



Yes our founders were men who believed in one God, but none of them agreed on which religion was right or how it is best interpreted. The one thing they all did agree on was that Church had no business in politics. Yes it can influence your morals, but it should not cloud your vision on what is best for our country. After all, if we were a nation founded on the teachings of Christ, we would have never been involved in war and we would never have adopted capitalism

although in the futre when he comes back and destroies the UN. The Lord Jesus Christ will set up a 1,000 year reign in which he is the sole ruler he on the whole earth and no one will have anything to say about it. Amen! Merry Christmas Ho Ho Ho!


I dont think he is coming back to specifically destroy the UN, but if a 2000 year old deity flies down from heaven I dont think he will have to do much destroying in order to have peoples attention. just saying.

And your country's founders took great care to make a separation between church and state.
I am not afraid of people mentioning God, but I am convinced religious leader are extremely unqualified to be political leaders. They also tend to be bad at actual practical problems.

Originally Posted by Bruno

And your country's founders took great care to make a separation between church and state.
I am not afraid of people mentioning God, but I am convinced religious leader are extremely unqualified to be political leaders. They also tend to be bad at actual practical problems.

I agree. The idea of having a religious leader become a political leader actually scares me. Religious people tend to be rather intolerant of difference. They tend to see themselves as right and the ones that do not follow their own opinions and ideas to be wrong. This sort of dogmatic approach to life is the foundation of every dictatorship ever experienced in our civilization. Intolerance is not acceptable in democracy - in fact, democracy is the only way of excluding intolerance as a true power of decision.
Now picture this: your new leader (political and religious) is say... a moderate anglican. Cool, level headed, tolerant. Nice: political guideance and moral guideance as well. But what about a bible bashing redneck that wants to burn the Koran and invade Islamic countries and declare war on the infidel? Is he not a political leader that guides you towards YOUR Lord Jesus Christ?
I have nothing against political leaders being religious people. But I have everything against the merging of political and religious leadership in one person. Politicians tend to be arrogant for themselves. Imagine one that imagines being in the right by divine inspiration... A "French Revolution" would be in order.