Thread: Are you "Furious".

Originally Posted by ryanjewell

Griz, just for the sake of some perspective...I don't think Xuz is in the states.

It's a tax hike only if you don't have health insurance and refuse to get it...which means you wait until something is REALLY messed up and you go to a free county hospital which is paid for by...you guessed it, taxes.

But someone is going to have to pay for it, and since there is a large portion of the country that does not pay any taxes in the first place, the tax hike for not having health insurance isn't even going to effect them. So who is left holding the bill? You guessed it, the taxpayers, you and me.

Originally Posted by ReardenSteel

But someone is going to have to pay for it, and since there is a large portion of the country that does not pay any taxes in the first place, the tax hike for not having health insurance isn't even going to effect them.

Which portion are you referring to?

Its amazing how rarely any hard facts come up un these arguments.

Originally Posted by HNSB

Its amazing how rarely any hard facts come up un these arguments.

It's hard to say that would help...all viewpoints have their own "hard facts" and the truth is, everyone is just speculating on what the result of this will be, but no one has a clue what it will look like.

Originally Posted by HNSB

Its amazing how rarely any hard facts come up un these arguments.

Is only an argument if you want it to be,would say it is more of a discussion at this point.
The public will not know the hard facts for quite some time yet I believe.

Can't and won't comment on the US situation re health care under the new program. I can say I can't quite understand the furor the debt is causing. Most of the western industrialized world has had some form or another of national health care since at least post WWII and they don't seem to have had a bad standard of living because of it. My life has been spent in a country with a form of national health care for most of that time. I will not see it turned to privatized medicine. In Canada's case it has a long evolutionary history. For anyone interested in seeing how another country dealt with it Civilization.ca - History of Canadian Medicare - 1939-1948 - Introduction . I am sure the introduction of national health care was hotly debated here at the time also but I was too young to remember it personally. I will say that for me there is nothing inherently evil about it from my experience living in a country that has it. How it will or won't work out in the USA is anyone's guess though.

Bob

Originally Posted by HNSB

Its amazing how rarely any hard facts come up un these arguments.

[citation needed]

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Social security A HANDOUT? beg your pardon but I paid $203,000.00 into that program over 51 yrs.
Nobody is giving me any handouts

I think what UWPete possibly means is that the $203,000 you paid into the program is spent, gone, kaput. In order for you to get any of that back requires the SSA to take funds from other peoples paychecks and give it to you, and me, and everyone else who paid into the program. That could be seen as a hand-out since the government is taking away from one person and handing it over to another. The problem with Ponzi schemes is that someone always gets screwed in the end.

I think what most Americans in the U.S. find inherently evil is despotic forced redistribution of wealth. Those of you who don't find that inherently evil need to check your meters.

Originally Posted by honedright

I think what UWPete possibly means is that the $203,000 you paid into the program is spent, gone, kaput. In order for you to get any of that back requires the SSA to take funds from other peoples paychecks and give it to you, and me, and everyone else who paid into the program. That could be seen as a hand-out since the government is taking away from one person and handing it over to another. The problem with Ponzi schemes is that someone always gets screwed in the end.

The people that will get screwed is everyone under the age of 50 Ish 8 more yrs and I will get all mine back