Thread: Whats your opinion on automatic weapons?

Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review

That's the document the data came from, the page shows a couple of thousand fewer than the figure above for an earlier year. the number grows year on year with the population.

I read the document you posted, it does have a lot of inaccuracies, along with a lot of truths. It IS true that if you have a gun you are less likely to become the victim of successful crime, but you are also more likely to die in a criminal attempt. There are lots of reasons to allow gun carriage, and lots to deny it. I think that following my life here in the UK, I am a little fearful of moving to the USA with my fiance. My primary reason for this is that people are allowed to carry firearms, and I don't know when I will be able to defend myself. Here if somebody tried to mug me I would most definitely ensure that didn't happen. How do I know if the person has a gun or not when I am in the states?

According to this website, US and UK murder – rate and weapon | Flesh is Grass , the USA has ~ a 5x greater murder rate. A huge part of me wonders if this is because of how vast the country is, or because of gun laws. I am a sensible guy, intelligent, so I am not one to think in a one dimensional manner. I understand the varying influences on a countries crime statistics. I don't know what it is like to own a gun, so I don't know the attachment you can have to it. I do know what these figures tell me, and I can only see a few variables.

I know that there are people here in the UK that own guns, both legally and illegally. There aren't many gun related deaths, in fact if there is one it makes national news. I like to think that by restricting gun ownership, that goes a long way to protecting me. My fate is effectively in my hands, unless someone pulls a gun on me then I'm screwed.

Originally Posted by Wullie

Post the link.

Read this if you want to.
GUN CONTROL FACT-SHEET (2004) - Gun Owners Of America

Originally Posted by carlmaloschneider

Hey DOOOOD! No offence here, I'm just talking! Sorry, I REALLY like to debate, sometime sit makes me change my mind, which is good....

:-)

HAHAHA I love to debate to. Glad no friendships were torn!

G'nite guys,

Parker

No offence here either, same attitude as carl, debate is debate ... and I do love a good debate

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

No offence here either, same attitude as carl, debate is debate ... and I do love a good debate

Aahahah good!

Originally Posted by parkerskouson

HAHAHA I love to debate to. Glad no friendships were torn!

G'nite guys,

Parker

Catch you later, Parker, be safe. You know, when I heard of the tragedy the first person I thought of is your dad. I thought, imagine if a kid like that Parker kid on SRP went to the movies and didn't come home, how bad that would be...

My younger son is the same age as you, and I heard some of the people killed were teenagers.

I haven't read past the first page of posts, but I am for people owning firearms of any description. If they're willing to pay for a safety course, be evaluated in as much as anyone can be, for mental health issues and pay to be licenced for firearms use/carry. In the case of this bloke, there was no history (my info is from local media and may well be wrong!) of mental health, and in fact he was studying in that field. You can't guard against that sort of thing. Perhaps if some in the theater were themselves armed (legally), they may have stopped this man in his tracks before it got so far out of hand. With proper training in self-defence using firearms, it may have been possible to sort out what was going on in all the confusion of smoke grenades and shooting. Then again it may have just been wise to take cover and pray.
As far as gun ownership, I say it is a natural freedom to be able to choose if you do or don't own a firearm. And just what kind of firearm that is, is also a part of that freedom, but should come at a higher training level and/or higher dollar value dependant on type of firearm. Some require more traing like the difference between an SLR L1A1 and a GPMG M60.


Mick

Originally Posted by carlmaloschneider

Catch you later, Parker, be safe. You know, when I heard of the tragedy the first person I thought of is your dad. I thought, imagine if a kid like that Parker kid on SRP went to the movies and didn't come home, how bad that would be...

My younger son is the same age as you, and I heard some of the people killed were teenagers.

Will do! Thanks for the thought Carl. Really does mean alot! I tell my dad that tomorrow!

Parker

Mick! Now I'm gonna get all fired up again!

Just told Parker via a PM that if I were at the pub I'd be shouting by now, but then we'd laugh, slap each other on the back and call each other a dickhead, have another beer and everything would be fine! I have to remember we're not all Australian here, I think some of these guys don't 'get' me...tell them I'm not angry...

Considering the where of this event, I'm hoping my mate Nightblade (Steph) wasn't there. A little concerned actually. You still around Steph?


Mick

Gents ... It has been a pleasure chatting, I know we all feel the same way about one thing ... This was a horrid event and hope it doesn't happen again, the poor guys. Good night everyone!