Thread: USA Gun Laws Poll

Originally Posted by BobH

Dave

Being too PC can just drive the bigots underground and I would rather plainly see them for who they are. Ignoring stats gathered in an unbiased manner just to be PC is just wrong headed as is deliberately not gathering certain stats just to be PC. I did not mean that the Term "professional" meant profiling but rather it means never to be angry and ruffle the waters when in fact they need ruffling at times. Never had a supervisor position but I was sick and tired of my bosses not being able to remedy an ongoing problem with another company that I had to deal with on a continuous basis. All that because they were all running around being "professional" and by doing so were ineffectual in remedying the problem. No sense being nice after a certain point. Being "professional" is being corporate PC.

If stats point to a certain subset in the population as causing more than the average share of trouble that may be profiling in the broadest sense of the word but it does not mean you tar everyone in that subset with the same brush. It ideally means that more effort to correct a problem should be focused there. Unfortunately the bigots use these types of stats to justify their own unfounded prejudices to the whole subset indiscriminately and the backlash to that is to be too PC. Again there is no healthy middle ground.

Bob

Just so you know, we are on the same page Bob. Except you believe the part I highlighted in your post. Unfortunately - at some levels of power, people become things... and I truly believe that that means, that those people who become numbers/things or what have you... are indeed viewed as one an the same as those you are targeting. But that's just me. I have no empirical evidence to support that.

Dave

Yea, you are probably right not tarring everyone with the same brush seems an impossible concept for some. Usually people looking for the easy way out when dealing with something.

Bob

Sticky

Interesting read. Even if you try and practice avoidance of those areas because sooner or later you will be a dumb tourist and wind up where you should not be. Sometime it just finds you no matter what.

Bob

I'm still pro gun and would rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6 but this is pretty sobering after I typed my zip code in.

A mass shooting happens every FIVE days in America: Interactive map shows how gun violence epidemic sweeping the nation | Mail Online

This has been a very interesting thread.
My views will be much what they were before entering it, but at more than one level, I feel educated by opposing views.
For that I am grateful.
I will, with respect to all posters, bow out of this discussion, and those of the same theme.

Originally Posted by Birnando

This has been a very interesting thread.
My views will be much what they were before entering it, but at more than one level, I feel educated by opposing views.
For that I am grateful.
I will, with respect to all posters, bow out of this discussion, and those of the same theme.

That's awesome!! And all anyone - "I think" - could ever want in a person!

I've never believed that i could change anyone's mind or opinion in any internet discussions and that is what i have not tried to do. But i'm most interested to learn why people think the way they think and that gives me a change to learn something new about world. Not just USA but all over.
We had different way to approach this problem but the problem is very different in the USA and Finland and Scandinavia. I'm not counting maniacs like Holmes, Auvinen or Breivik as they were exceptions that are sadly maybe impossible to stop, even in the future. No matter amount of laws or armed citizen. Lunatics will find their way.

All i could point out was that if people are willing to draw the gun in some places, then something should be done about that. All i can understand that now, there it is a race between bad guys and good guys. If bad guys are the ones with the guns and the mindset to kill then it's good guys should have the same right too. It is perfectly logical. If you have poverty or poor education, giving people no hope for the future, maybe your politicians should do something about that, i do not know.

Our problem is not like that at all, but of all the violent crimes made with a weapon of any kind, happens between people who already know each other, family members or friends. Weapons make it worse, and that is what my examples were all about. There are countless amount of cases, where police had to go between fighting people or couple, and afterwards everyone thought that luckily there was no weapons involved; nobody get killed. Still our violence rate is low. We could discuss about "what should be done in Finland" but that would be in a different thread and not much of success, i think. Most folks here are still from US. We Europeans are rare minority.

Every country out there and I don't care how homogeneous they are, they can find some group to hate within their own country. It's really very easy. Anybody who doesn't look like you, or has another religion or talks a bit different or dresses a bit different or maybe just comes from the South and everyone knows those from the South of ... are just inferior.

Examples of this are all over the world.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Every country out there and I don't care how homogeneous they are, they can find some group to hate within their own country.

Anyone who doesn't shave daily with a straight razor stropped on cordovan and who doesn't lather with triple milled soap and a Plisson HMW. No jury would convict me.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Every country out there and I don't care how homogeneous they are, they can find some group to hate within their own country. It's really very easy. Anybody who doesn't look like you, or has another religion or talks a bit different or dresses a bit different or maybe just comes from the South and everyone knows those from the South of ... are just inferior.

Examples of this are all over the world.

That is sadly a reality today. Extreme right wingers like Breivik are sadly attacking against immigrant, even those who have done nothing wrong, just being the wrong skin color or religion. I do not like the word it looks today.

But it has always been so, and this has nothing do to with the thread. We have gupsy minority, or romani, if you wish, that has been here for maybe 500 years. 'Horsemen and thieves', as they were called. They have pretty different culture or ways to live and that used to be some kind of issue when i was young. We have Samian minority too, but never (or at least with the last 400 years) we've had no problem living with them. Nowadays they have semi-authonomic area in the northern part of Scandinavia.

Howevers, back in the days of old when i was kid, it used to be very common that 'white folks' (angry young men) went into gupsy towns (although they are white too, but they have black hair which Finns do not) to look for a fight, which happened of course. And vice versa. I lived with my grand parents in a small county town.
Now, once happened that gupsies came with 3 buses in our town to look for a fight again. And of course local older boys started to get their baseball bats and all but my grandfather decided to call the police because, as a veteran, he didn't fancy violence.
The answer that the police gave him in a phone was/and is still something to remember: I think that you boys in town are capable of dealing this kind of problem without any help from police. Just make sure you do not use weapons or kill anyone.
Nowadays it makes me laugh but it was reality back then.