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    For one thing none of that is reducing America's oil supply. How can you reduce a non existing pipeline's supply? When it goes through you will have more oil for your SUVs than you now have. You still have your existing oil supply unreduced. By supporting Mexican and Brazilian oil fields I think the US government is trying maintain and/or increase the foreign oil supply from friendly, more secure and closer to home oil sources. Much better to try and reduce dependance on Mideast oil that is not so secure and is distant. Lastly why not use everyone else s oil while it is available and save using your own resources for last. I don't see how ANY of that is not in the best interest of Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crotalus View Post
    You still haven't explained how reducing America's oil supply and enriching other countries oil supplies is in the interest of ANY American.
    Uhm, I really have to explain even such trivial things?

    Imagine you're a a person known as an American Oil corporation with drilling operations predominantly in the middle east. Or you are an American person who happens to be a private security company with a big contract paid for by your fellow american taxpayers. Your livelihood depends on oil flowing from where you drill at prices as high as the market can bear.

    Or imagine your good friends and business partners run the kingdom of Saudi Arabia and there are countless American jobs primarily in the so called 'defense industry', again funded by the american taxpayers, which enable your good monarch friends to keep hold of their private property.

    Lastly, I know that you are not interested in learning from non-propaganda sources, but you really ought to consider that the fastest growing energy sector is gas, and that energy currently far far cheaper than oil or coal. There are very important consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gugi View Post
    Uhm, I really have to explain even such trivial things?

    Imagine you're a a person known as an American Oil corporation with drilling operations predominantly in the middle east. Or you are an American person who happens to be a private security company with a big contract paid for by your fellow american taxpayers. Your livelihood depends on oil flowing from where you drill at prices as high as the market can bear.

    Or imagine your good friends and business partners run the kingdom of Saudi Arabia and there are countless American jobs primarily in the so called 'defense industry', again funded by the american taxpayers, which enable your good monarch friends to keep hold of their private property.

    Lastly, I know that you are not interested in learning from non-propaganda sources, but you really ought to consider that the fastest growing energy sector is gas, and that energy currently far far cheaper than oil or coal. There are very important consequences.
    I think it has more to do with Obama wanting to hurt the US economy to bring us down a notch. I think it has more to do with paying back George Soros who is heavily invested in Brazilian oil.

    I know all about Natural Gas. I am sitting right on top of one of the largest fields in Texas. We get earthquakes all the time from the fracking that is going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crotalus View Post
    I think it has more to do with Obama wanting to hurt the US economy to bring us down a notch.....Snip
    Is this a common belief over there? That your elected president took office to bring you down a notch?
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    Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me over all these years....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crotalus View Post
    I know all about Natural Gas. I am sitting right on top of one of the largest fields in Texas. We get earthquakes all the time from the fracking that is going on.
    No way, that's a liberal/socialist invention, so that they can kill one more good american job creating industry, as well as grow the evil government EPA. Every real conservative knows that fracking is absolutely safe, patriotic, and if anything overregulated.

    You really should be more careful not to fall for the enemy's lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birnando View Post
    Is this a common belief over there? That your elected president took office to bring you down a notch?
    This one is. Watch the movie 2016. I already knew all the facts that were presented. At the end when they tied it all together it gave me chills. Obama looks at the world through the lens of his father. This gives him a very anti-colonial view. He looks at the US as a robber baron that loots the world for it's resources and then returns the goods to the looted as vastly inflated prices. Obama wants the US to be just another country at the table so he is doing everything he can to cripple our economy in the guise of creating jobs. You don't have to guess. He already told us what his world views are in his books. This same anti-colonialism is the reason he has come down hard on Israel and done nothing to keep Iran from getting nukes.

    Runaway spending has never brought any country out of a recession. He is doing permanent harm. He is either totally stupid or it is intentional. I believe the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birnando View Post
    Is this a common belief over there? That your elected president took office to bring you down a notch?
    I see you are not as saturated with US news over there as we are next door. You would almost think that it is a fairly common belief if you were watching the media circus going on over the fence so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birnando View Post
    Is this a common belief over there? That your elected president took office to bring you down a notch?
    You have to understand there is a segment of the U.S Electorate that has a pathological hatred of the President. If they filmed him walking on water they would say he didn't walk high enough. if they can't find enough to hate about him they just make it up and with the backing of the rich make it a truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigspendur View Post
    You have to understand there is a segment of the U.S Electorate that has a pathological hatred of the President. If they filmed him walking on water they would say he didn't walk high enough. if they can't find enough to hate about him they just make it up and with the backing of the rich make it a truth.
    Oh, put it back in the deck. The same thing can be said for any president (or public figure, for that matter) in recent memory.

    And judging by the inexplicable adulation he receives, I was under the impression that the current president would be moonwalking on water by now.

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    A small part of me hopes that Romney gets elected so that I can start posting accusations and claims based on biased media outlets and conspiracy theorists.

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