Thread: Twinkies

Originally Posted by HNSB

Yet we insist on using that logic with "management" and "corporations".

Yet we insist on using that logic with "unions" also which makes about as much sense. Could it possibly be that there are enough mallet heads on both sides to screw it up for the majority? Personally, through 34 years odd years of being a union worker working for the same large company, I think the latter is more to the truth of it. Glad I am retired and don't have to deal with those mallet heads anymore.

Bob

Bruno

Still have fond memories of Belgium and buying chocolates by the Kilo and drinking Palm beer by the Liter. Thankfully Twinkies were never readily available here.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

Yet we insist on using that logic with "unions" also which makes about as much sense. Could it possibly be that there are enough mallet heads on both sides to screw it up for the majority?

Yes.

There are enough examples of union reps spoiling the game for everybody.
And there are definitely enough examples of corporate management being absolute pricks.

Unions as a concept aren't bad or evil, and neither are corporations.
Some people are morons and seek to better themselves at the expense of others.
They'll float to the top of whatever structure they are part of, corporate or union. Or politics for that matter.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

it's not so simple.

There is the concept of error by omission and error by commission. Fox operated by the latter. They simply make things up and lie to get their point across. MSNBC uses the former. If they see a story favorable to the other side they just ignore it. That's a big difference. One makes everything suspect and the other just makes you look further to get the other side of the story.

you're right, and while there is certainly a difference between making stuff up vs. leaving out parts of a story that give you the full picture, they both seem dishonest to me. both scenarios play a bit fast and loose with what is "true" to forward whatever their agenda is to make you believe a certain way.

i normally read a story from one side, then go to the other and get their take on it and settle with the notion that the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

it's not so simple.

There is the concept of error by omission and error by commission. Fox operated by the latter. They simply make things up and lie to get their point across. MSNBC uses the former. If they see a story favorable to the other side they just ignore it. That's a big difference. One makes everything suspect and the other just makes you look further to get the other side of the story.

And I have exactly the opposite opinion about both services.

"If you dont read the papers you are uninformed, if you do read the papers, you are misinformed." Twain


I know all of you have been waiting ever so patiently for my opinion, so here it is. If management could do it, they would force you to pay them. It was Unions that created the middle class. I remember a time and many places where the average house was not much bigger than my current kitchen, dining room and living room are now. Entire families living in a structure maybe 24' x 24', if that. My current home is a typical split level built in 1960, it is not a Mc Mansion.

There was a time when you didnt paint your house you whitewashed it, if you had the money. In the winter you could watch the snow come in through the cracks in the siding, insulation and interior walls were luxuries. Kids didnt go to doctors, there was no money for it.

My dad has a cousin who he grew up with in the '40's, once a year this cousin would get new shoes for Christmas, which was already two months into the winter season, going barefoot was not unusual for a lot of folks. You dont see this too much anymore and that is because of Unions.

I am not usually one to suggest you get your history lesson from Hollywood, but a movie called the Molly Maguires may be enlightening. Sean Connery and Richard Harris.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

Why do people question me this bluntly? Never happened?

Union Red Tape in N.J. Causes Alabama Recovery Crew to Head Home | Fox Business

The news is NEVER Wrong. They reported a partial story.

Originally Posted by ryanjewell

You've never really steered away from picking fights on the conservative vs. liberal front on this board...bluntly, at that.

But since you don't actually know from experiencing this, just posting politically biased media...think of it as the guy who lives in NJ is questioning Fox News moreso than you.

Friendly discourse between folks is fine. It keeps us all on our toes and thinking. Open minds are what is required.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

If you read the story, the repair crew was held up in Virginia and had to answer union questions before being allowed to do any work in NJ.

What happened to Obama's pledge to cut through red tape in the time of crisis?

I just find it absurd that a union was involved at all in telling a repair crew what they could do. Wouldn't that be more a job for a utility?

"Politically biased media?" Find me ANY media that doesn't have a political bias. They all do. People just deny it when the bias agrees with their own viewpoint.

It was all about INSURANCE, WORKERS COMP, etc........ for the workers in case of an accident

Originally Posted by Wullie

I heard the newscast where the gents from AL were called SCABS, amongst other things and rudely informed that they were taking food from the mouths of union members and their families. I do NOT think that was made up as theater for the masses.

My thoughts on this were that there were a LOT of people that had no power to cook any food they had left that wasn't already spoiled.

Have to love the media. "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story." The food was spoiled, the out of state crews came and did wonderful work for us. I say again, god bless them and THANK YOU. (I had no power for 5 days and was restored by a PSE&G Crew.)

Originally Posted by Hirlau

The strange thing is, I never missed the Twinkies, until they took them away.

I don't know about where you live Pixel, but there are still plenty of ho ho's around here.

Sacrilege I say!!


Now, if one wants to discuss how some of the management of all those crews was done, that is another story.

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Do not eat that crap,all that stuff will Keel you.Fritos,cheetos,doritos,serve me well

Cannot eat Cheetos and Doritos in a police car. Your fingers get colored and it transfers to some of the equipment in the car including the steering wheel. Now, Fritos and Twinkies work just fine. Fritos are a bit more complicated in the winter, the crumbs can get onto your tie.

Originally Posted by Bruno

I have no twinkies to give to you

I live in Belgium. The land of chocolate. The good chocolate which counts as prized luxury in the US, is the stuff that is just everyday candy for us. In fact, good Belgian chocolate is cheaper than twinkies.

Twinkies don't exist here. As far as we are concerned, the production of twinkies is the conversion of perfectly good ingredients into toxic waste, unfit for human (or animal) consumption.

To each their own. By the way, there is always a good supply of Belgian Chocolate as well as Hershey's Chocolate in my house. It keeps me safe from SWMBO at certain times.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Yes.

There are enough examples of union reps spoiling the game for everybody.
And there are definitely enough examples of corporate management being absolute pricks.

Unions as a concept aren't bad or evil, and neither are corporations.
Some people are morons and seek to better themselves at the expense of others.
They'll float to the top of whatever structure they are part of, corporate or union. Or politics for that matter.

Crap floats.....

Originally Posted by Crotalus

And I have exactly the opposite opinion about both services.

Either way, they are not trustworthy. I have personally prepared written press releases regarding criminal investigations on many occasions. The reporting was so different than what was released, intentional or not, I wondered if it were the same investigation.

Originally Posted by Mvcrash

Either way, they are not trustworthy. I have personally prepared written press releases regarding criminal investigations on many occasions. The reporting was so different than what was released, intentional or not, I wondered if it were the same investigation.

I saw the same thing when I was a paramedic. There were many times when the story printed in the paper was a complete fabrication. It's more like an article loosely "based on a true story" than a report of facts.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

it's not so simple.

There is the concept of error by omission and error by commission. Fox operated by the latter. They simply make things up and lie to get their point across. MSNBC uses the former. If they see a story favorable to the other side they just ignore it. That's a big difference. One makes everything suspect and the other just makes you look further to get the other side of the story.

I've got some swampland in florida for sale, too.