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And Gov. Snyder just signed legislation making Michigan a Right-To-Work state. When I become a citizen I'm not voting for that guy!

Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus

And Gov. Snyder just signed legislation making Michigan a Right-To-Work state. When I become a citizen I'm not voting for that guy!

No new thing under the sun History of union busting in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

You would find similar in state and local govt and many other industries. mgmt only worried about the present. The future was not their problem. Now the future has arrived.

I was thinking this exact same thing.

Originally Posted by 32t

I was thinking this exact same thing.

The way Malcolm X put it, "Their chickens have come home to roost." Different context but that is what I think of. Except we have a lot more chickens yet to come home.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

No new thing under the sun History of union busting in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why should a person be FORCED to join a union to get a job?

I think the new Michigan law is a step toward freedom. If you want to join a union, fine. No one should be forced to join under any circumstances at all.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

Why should a person be FORCED to join a union to get a job?

I think the new Michigan law is a step toward freedom. If you want to join a union, fine. No one should be forced to join under any circumstances at all.

Having lived in two 'right to work' states , as a union member, I have seen it. We called it the right to work for less. Fortunately for the non union workers the prevailing union wage lifted them up as far as in the pocket went. Benefits were generally far behind for the non union worker if they existed at all.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that unions are always right. I worked in locals that were very similar to the one depicted in "On The Waterfront." so I've seen more than one side of the equation. OTOH, history shows why men and women banded together to form unions to counter unfair company policies. We see those abuses today in the newly industrialized countries to remind us of why the unions came about to begin with.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

Why should a person be FORCED to join a union to get a job?

I think the new Michigan law is a step toward freedom. If you want to join a union, fine. No one should be forced to join under any circumstances at all.

They aren't FORCED to do anything... they are forced to join the union if they want a union job though!

Just like you are forced to get a drivers licence before you can legally drive, forced to pay your taxes and get insurance before you get a plate.

No one forces anyone to take a job!

Originally Posted by earcutter

They aren't FORCED to do anything... they are forced to join the union if they want a union job though!

Just like you are forced to get a drivers licence before you can legally drive, forced to pay your taxes and get insurance before you get a plate.

No one forces anyone to take a job!

Why are they UNION jobs? That's an absurd notion. They are just jobs. The union doesn't have a monopoly on any jobs.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

Why should a person be FORCED to join a union to get a job?

I think the new Michigan law is a step toward freedom. If you want to join a union, fine. No one should be forced to join under any circumstances at all.

I have no argument against choosing not to join a union.
My issue is with those who reap the benefits of union representation in the form of prevailing wages and benefits without paying for said representation. Those are the true "freeloaders" about whom the Republicans incessantly whine.

Some food for thought from one of the most respected journalists from north of the border.

Neil Macdonald: The right to work for less - World - CBC News