Thread: Twinkies

Originally Posted by DaveW

I've got some swampland in florida for sale, too.

I thought all of Florida was swamp land...

Originally Posted by Mvcrash

I thought all of Florida was swamp land...

Kinda like everyone who ain't from there thinks NJ is all like downtown Patterson and Newark .....

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Kinda like everyone who ain't from there thinks NJ is all like downtown Patterson and Newark .....

True, but I grew up in Florida and most of it IS swamp.....lol. You failed to mention the murder Capitol of the world. Lovely Camden!!

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Kinda like everyone who ain't from there thinks NJ is all like downtown Patterson and Newark .....

First time I made a trip to "Joyzee", I was really surprised at some of the BEAUTIFUL country up there. Thought the "jug handles" at intersections was a nice touch too. Didn't like the fact that where I ended up had a NO IDLING law for trucks as it was colder than a well digger's bum when I was there. Spent a cold night in the sleeper that night.

Oh, the people tawk funny too. They sound like the folks at Port St Lucie, FL!

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***UPDATE***

Wow Gents: just wow...

If you read today's obscure news you'll find that they were raiding the staffs pensions to keep the company solvent. That's just stealing if you ask me!

More importantly!! For the first time (for me anyway) you hear that that is exactly why the union was putting up the fight!

If that really is the case - and seemingly it is -> the Union was 100% right!!

I read the story and really began to question if more regulation is really wrong! It reeks of the United States government dipping into our social security! Hope the man never goes broke .

Originally Posted by earcutter

***UPDATE***

Wow Gents: just wow...

If you read today's obscure news you'll find that they were raiding the staffs pensions to keep the company solvent. That's just stealing if you ask me!

More importantly!! For the first time (for me anyway) you hear that that is exactly why the union was putting up the fight!

If that really is the case - and seemingly it is -> the Union was 100% right!!

I read the story and really began to question if more regulation is really wrong! It reeks of the United States government dipping into our social security! Hope the man never goes broke .

My friend in NJ, who recently retired after driving for wonderbread for decades, said that they hadn't paid into the pension fund in years. They just stopped paying some time back. Indeed that was one of the contentions between the unions and the company. The teamsters signed on in spite of that but the bakers were not going to continue under those circumstances.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

My friend in NJ, who recently retired after driving for wonderbread for decades, said that they hadn't paid into the pension fund in years. They just stopped paying some time back. Indeed that was one of the contentions between the unions and the company. The teamsters signed on in spite of that but the bakers were not going to continue under those circumstances.

Rightfully so Jimmy - Jeepers man! I don't know how I missed that!

Seriously, no one likes to see a company fail but... when the writing is on the wall. It's like a flood taking the bottom two feet of you house and deciding to paint the top seven to make it look good lol. When its done... it's done.

Originally Posted by earcutter

***UPDATE***

Wow Gents: just wow...

If you read today's obscure news you'll find that they were raiding the staffs pensions to keep the company solvent. That's just stealing if you ask me!

More importantly!! For the first time (for me anyway) you hear that that is exactly why the union was putting up the fight!

If that really is the case - and seemingly it is -> the Union was 100% right!!

I read the story and really began to question if more regulation is really wrong! It reeks of the United States government dipping into our social security! Hope the man never goes broke .

That is a very common tactic. Outfits do that all the time.There is no law saying a private company can't go into the pension funds and remove the funds especially in situations where the employees contribute nothing to the plan or if they do as long as the employee contributions aren't touched. if they are that becomes a criminal matter.

One of the reasons many of the state and local govt pensions are underfunded is because the govt is supposed to match the weekly deductions and many simply stopped doing that years ago. The Federal Govt commonly raids the pension funds whenever there is a fiscal crisis and removes billions with the promise to make it whole again.

Pensions have always been a bone of contention. I don't know what the regulations are in the US but here in Ontario there is a provincial government department that is supposed to regulate company/employee co-pay pensions. They are supposed to oversee how the funds are invested to ensure that they are not in extremely risky schemes. Also, they can and have allowed companies to take "holidays" from their obligation to top up the pension plans. The upshot is that many pension funds are underfunded to the tune of 20% or more. You could easily wind up in a situation where the company goes south and in the government supervised windup of your pension plan you have your pension drastically reduced. So even if pensions are regulated there are loopholes for companies to borrow from plans by being allowed to take holidays from topping up. Virtually no pensions are 100% safe. I am talking about a defined pension benefits plan where there is a formula that fixes/guarantees the amount of money you receive on pension. That is opposed to non defined where you pays yer money and you takes your chances. Not a pretty picture anywhere you live.

Bob