Assault weopen carnage agian?

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Originally Posted by scap99

Guns protect my life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. No matter if the threat is a gang banger or jack booted thug.

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Oh well, I'm a bit of a hippy at heart, which is sort of why I left the army after ten years; it certainly had a lot to do with it. I'm quite idealistic, I just want to sit around in the meadows making daisy chains and smoking dope and eating fruit. Then again the other 1/2 of me would quite relish a post apocalyptic scenario where I take to the hills with my band of loyal partisans and wreak havoc on the invaders. Like I said in the other discussion we all had on this a few months ago, sadly, we're having a few on this subject lately, I just can't envisage a wild west shoot out type scenario of people (kids???) protecting themselves from the assault...

Clearly I'm ignorant of life where these things happen, so really I shouldn't really be commenting on your society or government. Feel free to criticise my society and my 'government' by the way, they are a bunch of morons and quite embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by proximus26

In this case looks like we are different humans and this guy used his right all the way. So you are right. We should not question anything at all. Just waiting on another killing spree. Hope it will never happen in my son school as for now ""RIGHT"" allows to kill my son. In UK in this last year 35 people die from gun shooting... Not sure what are statistics in USA but Glen you are right. It is not fair on my said to question your rights but so happen they become mine too and I don`t like them at all. I will give them up in second to save this dead kids and save my family. I DON GET IT. Sorry, this is my last post. This whole discussion will not change anything as people do not want to change.

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What part of he broke every gun law there is and he did not have the right to own a gun do you NOT understand ?????

You are arguing from the heart, which is great but not accurate

As for stats be careful there as I can rattle them off at will, and they land on the Pro-gun side every single time

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Originally Posted by proximus26

I will give them up in second...

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There are several countries that would be willing to take them...

My heart goes out to the families of the deceased. I will continue to support the NRA, regardless if I agree with everything they do or not. I don't own a gun. But I'll forever do my best, to keep the option on the table.

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Originally Posted by proximus26

In this case looks like we are different humans and this guy used his right all the way. So you are right. We should not question anything at all. Just waiting on another killing spree. Hope it will never happen in my son school as for now ""RIGHT"" allows to kill my son. In UK in this last year 35 people die from gun shooting... Not sure what are statistics in USA but Glen you are right. It is not fair on my said to question your rights but so happen they become mine too and I don`t like them at all. I will give them up in second to save this dead kids and save my family. I DON GET IT. Sorry, this is my last post. This whole discussion will not change anything as people do not want to change.

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There is no right to kill in cold blood. You've wasted your time, twice, on a false assumption.

what you will see folks in the next year,is an amendment to the amendment.
people who expouse there so called rights,will be cast aside as morons as to what they deem proper,this no longer fits in american society as it is today.
Yesterdays carnage will be the straw that brakes the camels back.

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

I find it quite humorus that you guys just can't seem to understand Our American rights,, just like I explained to Sailor I doubt you ever will or even can comprehend how ingrained our Rights our to us..
To us it is an alien concept that you even question it...

We have the Right to defend ourselves, in this country we have the the right to do so with a gun. as long as we retain our rights...
Until the Bill of Rights is overturned that is the way it is, trying to overturn that right or any other could very well split this country into pieces... or worse

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I have begun to understand this. What Americans don't really follow though, is that you still don't have the right to kill someone.
There is something uncivilized about that concept. Every single conversation I have had with an American either in person, or on here, regarding the right to defend yourself using guns ... has ended with the American basically saying they have to do that because the country is in ruins.
Doesn't that just make you think you need to get rid of those sorry excuse of leaders? I would never arm myself against another human.
Against animals, say if I lived in BFE, or the plains in Alaska, yes I would arm myself because I am not going down to a bear.
A human is another matter, I would rather die than kill, and it saddens me that others don't feel the same.
As in the other thread, where I stated I believe proficiency in self defense is better than using a firearm, I stand by that firmly.
Take away firearms and firearms related crime will drop to almost nil. Until that is understood and adopted nothing will change.
Would you guys who have guns give them up to never have this happen again? I would give anything to prevent these atrocities.
To those who talk about bombs etc, a bomb large enough to kill 20 people would probably be spotted in the making
Somebody would have to buy a lot of "odd" things that would raise an alarm, also they have to make it, which could see the end of them too.
To Glen, Just because your rights are deeply ingrained, that doesn't mean changing them isn't a good thing. It means you will fight to keep them.
Good luck with that because eventually, if this sort of thing keeps happening, they will be changed. Eventually someone with some sense will preside over the USA and define what the right to bear arms actually means in a modern era. The bill of rights is something that really needs looking at by the politicians, and the people of America. Things change, Britain is no longer going to take the USA ... The bill of rights needs amending.

If you have the right to bear arms and create a militia, only the militia should be allowed to bear arms, they should be regulated and everybody should know who those people are.

To the people who say something along the lines of "well the killer broke the rules already, more rules won't help".
Criminalize guns. There is a long list of people who own them, where they live, the Gov't could find the firearms owners, and give them a period of grace to disarm themselves before they became fugitives. If what you say is true you would all follow the laws and give your firearms up anyway, no problem. Then the budget for the police could be shifted towards changing the philosophy of the broken part of society. There would be excess budget after firearms was criminalized since there would be lower crime rates after the initial spike.

To everybody who says this is a pipe dream or words to that effect just take a look at the UK. This was achieved. Atrocities like this happen rarely. The last being (if I am correct) the 80's.

If I made spelling errors etc, I apologise, I am tired.

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Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

I have begun to understand this. What Americans don't really follow though, is that you still don't have the right to kill someone.
There is something uncivilized about that concept. Every single conversation I have had with an American either in person, or on here, regarding the right to defend yourself using guns ... has ended with the American basically saying they have to do that because the country is in ruins.
Doesn't that just make you think you need to get rid of those sorry excuse of leaders? I would never arm myself against another human.
Against animals, say if I lived in BFE, or the plains in Alaska, yes I would arm myself because I am not going down to a bear.
A human is another matter, I would rather die than kill, and it saddens me that others don't feel the same.
As in the other thread, where I stated I believe proficiency in self defense is better than using a firearm, I stand by that firmly.
Take away firearms and firearms related crime will drop to almost nil. Until that is understood and adopted nothing will change.
Would you guys who have guns give them up to never have this happen again? I would give anything to prevent these atrocities.
To those who talk about bombs etc, a bomb large enough to kill 20 people would probably be spotted in the making
Somebody would have to buy a lot of "odd" things that would raise an alarm, also they have to make it, which could see the end of them too.
To Glen, Just because your rights are deeply ingrained, that doesn't mean changing them isn't a good thing. It means you will fight to keep them.
Good luck with that because eventually, if this sort of thing keeps happening, they will be changed. Eventually someone with some sense will preside over the USA and define what the right to bear arms actually means in a modern era.

If you have the right to bear arms and create a militia, only the militia should be allowed to bear arms, they should be regulated and everybody should know who those people are.

To the people who say something along the lines of "well they broke the rules already, more rules won't help".
Criminalize guns. There is a long list of people who own them, where they live, the Gov't could find the firearms owners, and give them a period of grace to disarm themselves before they became fugitives. If what you say is true you would all follow the laws and give your firearms up anyway, no problem. Then the budget for the police could be shifted towards changing the philosophy of the broken part of society. There would be excess budget after firearms was criminalized since there would be lower crime rates after the initial spike.

To everybody who says this is a pipe dream or words to that effect just take a look at the UK. This was achieved. Atrocities like this happen rarely. The last being (if I am correct) the 80's.

If I made spelling errors etc, I apologise, I am tired.

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Another (K) Carl thought much like you, his last name however was Marx :(

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Originally Posted by pixelfixed

what you will see folks in the next year,is an amendment to the amendment.
people who expouse there so called rights,will be cast aside as morons as to what they deem proper,this no longer fits in american society as it is today.
Yesterdays carnage will be the straw that brakes the camels back.

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Yes because of well written and intelligent thought processes like that :rofl2:

Whoa, slow that Camel down with those brakes, he might be hiding an Assault weopen behind one of his humps :(

Bet you're sorry you rushed to open this thread now huh ??? stepped right up on those dead kids bodies to stand on your soap box and espouse your viewpoint... shameful

Has anyone changed there original position as a result of this thread yet ? Aw shucks !

Well anyway, I was thinking about the movie Men In Black. The spaceship crash lands in the field and the farmer comes out with his double shotgun. The alien/bug says, "Throw your weapon into the crater." The farmer responds with, "You can have my gun when you take it from my cold dead fingers." The alien says, "That is acceptable." and kills him. Kind of humorous moment in the film ..... IMHO.