Thread: Potential Ban/Brady Bill part deux?

Originally Posted by heelerau

Gents,

My question is about how does American society deal with its mentally unstable individuals?

They just write them another prescription and send them on their way!

Originally Posted by heelerau

Gents,
I am not sure that fire arms are the main issue here, I have asked the question of a few shooting mates of mine in the US as to why you have school shootings. We have not had them here Down Under as yet, we have a population of about 22 million, of which a million of us have firearms, so we have a pretty good ratio of ownership close to you guys. We do have pretty thorough background checks done when you first get licenced, and you have to provide a "valid " reason for requiring a firearm. There is also a pretty stringent gun safe requirement re storage. As a shooter I feel like most of my shooting brothers that the Govt is only a hairs breadth away from disarming us, as ownership here is a privilege not a right.
For all our restrictions, there is still no certainty we will not have a shooting incident at a school at some time.
My question is about how does American society deal with its mentally unstable individuals?
Our own government pretty much ignores mental health, I guess because at this stage the cure rate is pretty low and it will be years before some of the major mental illnesses can be cured or managed properly. Hence we would like to ignore it as it may have no short term political gain.
I see the shooting of some firemen latterly by a nut job recently let out of Gaol, how did he aquire arms? No garantee an Aussie style arms control legistaltion would have stopped that, has you can get them on the black market.
Sorry you blokes, you are in for a rough ride, and really sorry for the families and victims of these latest shootings


Best wishes

heelerau

This is sort of interesting. I had to check our statistics.
In a country with a population of about 5,5 million we have about 1,6 million legal guns (including rifles) and about 600 000 legal gun owners. That is pretty much. And estimated number of illegal guns is about 800 000 (i have no idea how it is possible to count illegal guns). However, these illegals aren't illegally imported and used by criminals but mostly spoils of war.

Although crime rates are low still hand guns are used only less than 5% of all homicides*, and less than 1% of any burglary, street robbery or so. Guns are not known to have used to protect homes or safety in case of a burglar or attacker. I hope it will stay that way; all crime rates have gone downwards during the last decades.
*'less than 5% of all homicides' is actually wrong. The real % might be lower: 5% of all homicides the killer is a licensed gun owner. % does not tell what weapon was used in the homicides: might be knife or bare hands as well.
However: the low numbers only tell that legal gun owners make less crimes than those who do not own a gun. of course every single case is too much and with a single gun you can make much worse damage than with the knife.

It is still somewhat easy to get a license for hunting rifle and not too difficult for 22. But getting a license for a heavy calibers these days is very difficult. You need to have it for your work and even then it might be difficult: in such cases your employer (police/military/border guard) will issue you a gun so you do not need the one of your own.
I know cases where police force members didn't get a license for a personal hand gun. You already have one at work, they were told.

Background check is always made by police, no individual gun seller. While back year ago i got my licenses for rifle and 9mm the check took about a week. Nowadays much longer. Also to get a gun of any kind nowadays you need to be a registered member of any shooting club and also to pass an interview with a doctor specialized in mental problems.

In any case, mental problems are taken very seriously these days. Even recruiting army isn't any walk in the park these days, about 30% of all rookies drop off during first weeks.

On the subject of these nutcases killing innocent children, the media and elected officials are quick to use the deaths of children to further their agendas. On the other hand, these same entities promote and support the killing of millions of unborn, faceless, nameless human beings annually via legal abortions.

They have a lot of explaining to do as far as I'm concrned. This lends new meaning to the term "conflict of interest". Truth be known, the U S government in concert with the United Nations would love to disarm this etire country.

Tell me I'm wrong.....

Jerry

+1
Not wrong at all, it's all about power and as much as they can obtain.

Originally Posted by mrsell63

On the subject of these nutcases killing innocent children, the media and elected officials are quick to use the deaths of children to further their agendas. On the other hand, these same entities promote and support the killing of millions of unborn, faceless, nameless human beings annually via legal abortions.

They have a lot of explaining to do as far as I'm concrned. This lends new meaning to the term "conflict of interest". Truth be known, the U S government in concert with the United Nations would love to disarm this etire country.
Tell me I'm wrong.....

Jerry

Of course they would. We are the largest unregulated army in the world. They fear us and I think a little fear keeps them in line.

Originally Posted by 10Pups

Of course they would. We are the largest unregulated army in the world. They fear us and I think a little fear keeps them in line.

I'm sure that has a lot to do with it.

There has been a lot of discussion with regards to governmental tyranny. A lot of it is justified in my mind. However, my stash is more geared to protect my family and myself inthe event of anarchy. Whether it's anarchy by accident or designed, it will be ugly if it ever comes to pass.

Our power grid is woefully under protected from the ravages that a BIG solar flare could do to it. Build time on a large transformer is in months. If half of the large transformers were knocked out, it could take years to restore the grid to where it is today.

If the dollar falls on its arse, and we end up in the same shape as other countries have with explosive inflation, people are going to do whatever they can to take care of themselves and their own. I intend to be able to take care of myself and my own until I can get to a place of refuge. ( which BTW is already laid out, but some distance away. )

I hope and pray that it NEVER comes down to either scenario. However, I'm a firm believer in the old adage that it is better to have something and not need it, than it is need something and not have it.

Originally Posted by mrsell63

On the subject of these nutcases killing innocent children, the media and elected officials are quick to use the deaths of children to further their agendas. On the other hand, these same entities promote and support the killing of millions of unborn, faceless, nameless human beings annually via legal abortions.

They have a lot of explaining to do as far as I'm concrned. This lends new meaning to the term "conflict of interest". Truth be known, the U S government in concert with the United Nations would love to disarm this etire country.

Tell me I'm wrong.....

Jerry

Interesting you bring up abortion and guns in the same post,

So, here's some food for thought. Just think for one moment if the tactics used to restrict abortion in certain states were used to restrict gun ownership???

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Interesting you bring up abortion and guns in the same post,

So, here's some food for thought. Just think for one moment if the tactics used to restrict abortion in certain states were used to restrict gun ownership???

Do you mean the new laws that say underage girls can have an abortion without their parent's consent or knowledge?

ATM I believe that Roe Vs Wade, 1973 pretty much authorized abortions everywhere in the United States. Most states do have a parental consent clause for dealing with minors.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Interesting you bring up abortion and guns in the same post,

So, here's some food for thought. Just think for one moment if the tactics used to restrict abortion in certain states were used to restrict gun ownership???

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Keeping on point, it is only common sense to wonder why politicians and the media condone the killing of unborn children out of one side of their collective mouths and out of the other side of the collective mouths, they are appauled when someone else does it. Where is the logic???

Jerry
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Nah, they do NOT want our guns..



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