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Thread: Grinding razors
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05-24-2008, 11:18 PM #41
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06-04-2008, 03:20 AM #42
I am grinding my first razor from an old file. I have the perimeter shaped and have started to grind the bevel. The blade is between 6/8 and 7/8 wide I am using an 8” wheel. How thin/thick should I leave the edge before hardening? What liquid would you use to quench an old file?
Thanks for putting up with my questions.
Charlie
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06-04-2008, 03:19 PM #43
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06-04-2008, 03:20 PM #44
Charlie,
For your first blade, I'd suggest .050", or about the thickness of a dime. Thinner means less hardened steel to remove after heat-treating, but you also have a greater chance of cracking the blade.
How will you be grinding post-heat treat? You really have to watch getting the blade too hot, or you'll ruin the hardness.
For oil, I would try veggie oil from Wal-Mart. Preheat it to 130 F before quenching.
Josh
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06-04-2008, 10:58 PM #45
I will grind with a 1X42 belt with an 8” wheel, or a water cooled grinding wheel mounted on an arbor. I am not sure yet. I have not made the 8” contact wheel or rigged up the arbor yet. I will wait till this weekend and see which seems easiest.
I am roughing the hollow/grind out on an high speed 8" grinder
Thanks for all your guys help, I really appreciate it.
CharlieLast edited by spazola; 06-05-2008 at 02:01 AM.
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06-07-2008, 04:04 PM #46
Just a little update...the wheel size makes a lot of difference when grinding. In an earlier post, I stated I do most of my grinding on an 8-inch wheel. That has changed. I'm going for a bit more hollow lately, as they're much easier to use, if harder to grind. My goal is ease of use for the end line user, so I've gone a lot to a 6 and 4 inch contact wheel, and I've been very happy with my results so far. I've even converted some earlier grinds to the more hollow, and with the smaller wheel, I don't get into the spine as much.
I will usually leave my blades between .050 and .080" before heat treating. I like to leave thick to prevent warping. Taking off the hardened steel after heat treating isn't hard, using belts like Norton Blaze or SG ceramic belts. They're expensive, and worth every cent, as they'll outlast an aluminum oxide belt 10-12 to 1.
I don't recommend using vegetable oil, preheated or not. It might work, but I would like a faster quench, to insure maximum hardness. You want the steel to get its absolute hardest it can be in the quench, then temper it back from there. Bacon grease would work better, since the salt in it speeds up the quench a bit. A good mix for quenching is bacon grease, beeswax, saltpeter (anecdotally, adds a bit of nitrogen to the blade, and that's a good thing) and transmission oil. You can actually mix this to where it's a solid at room temperature, and use it that way (or you can preheat it), and it works very well (thanks to Wayne Goddard for this "goop" quenchant). Pretty cheap and easy to make, too.
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06-07-2008, 08:24 PM #47
Thanks for that JC. So you are saying that you find the grinds with a 6 or 4" wheel are easier for the shaver to use? As in an easier shave and easier to hone? At the same time though, they are harder for you to grind? I just want to clarify that.
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06-07-2008, 08:38 PM #48
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06-07-2008, 08:48 PM #49
Not sure if the shave is any better. Guess that depends on what you like. It would be easier to hone, though, as the increase in hollowing makes it so. They are a bit harder to grind, because the thinner you get the metal, the faster and easier it picks up heat, increasing the susceptibility to burning, so you can't get by with dull belts at all, and you have to go really slow. The results are worth it, though.
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06-07-2008, 11:15 PM #50