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    Quote Originally Posted by RichZ
    I just had to post this...

    This AM I went to work for the first time with out crutches. I have a air cast boot on to hold my ankle steady. Well I am walking towards the corner when someone walking at a 90 degree angle to me kicked my ankle with the boot and just continued on like nothing had happened. Thankfully I had the boot on but it still hurt. I turned around but couldn't see who did it. People are real s#&m bags. Where did manners go.

    with 120 replies ,it means you are either popular or there are a lot of pissed people out there or could it be a bit of both
    Kind regards Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLStorm
    Those conversations turn out as well as conversations about religion or abortion lol
    I don't get it (actually I do, but for the sake of argument...), why is it that conversations about the 2d amendment, relegion, abortion, the death penalty, war...(fill in the blank with your own hot button issue) necessarily degrade into either a shouting match, a fistfight, a gunfight, or hurt feelings?

    What ever happened to debate, well reasoned (or otherwise) discussion, respect for opposing points of view? I firmly believe that the core issue with this thread (and my questions) is a lack of respect for anyone other than oneself, i.e. selfishness. Although I don't always live up to my ideal, I firmly believe that if one of my opinions is challenged and I don't have a reason for that opinion/belief, then I should be willing to consider the alternative. It seems that more and more often people confuse personal attack with debate. The loudest, meanest, most vulgar individual wins. Rather than suggesting that an opposing opinion may be flawed because...(fill in a logical argument), the typical response is if you don't agree with me, you're stupid, or more common these days, you're evil!

    Showing respect for another does not require that you to agree with them, it requires civility.

    My opinion FWIW,
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForestryProf
    I don't get it (actually I do, but for the sake of argument...), why is it that conversations about the 2d amendment, relegion, abortion, the death penalty, war...(fill in the blank with your own hot button issue) necessarily degrade into either a shouting match, a fistfight, a gunfight, or hurt feelings?

    What ever happened to debate, well reasoned (or otherwise) discussion, respect for opposing points of view? I firmly believe that the core issue with this thread (and my questions) is a lack of respect for anyone other than oneself, i.e. selfishness. Although I don't always live up to my ideal, I firmly believe that if one of my opinions is challenged and I don't have a reason for that opinion/belief, then I should be willing to consider the alternative. It seems that more and more often people confuse personal attack with debate. The loudest, meanest, most vulgar individual wins. Rather than suggesting that an opposing opinion may be flawed because...(fill in a logical argument), the typical response is if you don't agree with me, you're stupid, or more common these days, you're evil!

    Showing respect for another does not require that you to agree with them, it requires civility.

    My opinion FWIW,
    Ed
    Well said!

    I've always thought it was a good idea to listen to dissenting opinions. It opens your viewpoint. Plus, you now have a better insite into how / why someone thinks for that position.

    I love a good "argument". That actually forces you to think and back up your position.

    Ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForestryProf
    Showing respect for another does not require that you to agree with them, it requires civility.
    You are so right. But I have to say that the method of communication you describe has been encouraged by our politicians for political gain. I remember a time when leaders from different parties respected each other and worked together. Now it's a "with me or against me" mentality. How could you not expect antagonism, especially when you touch upon one of the planted issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvbias
    Quite honestly I believe that this country will
    collapse within the next 20 or so years. Or
    turn into a Soviet style dictatorship.

    Thoughts Comrads?


    Terry
    I couldn't agree more. I'm no historian but there are quite a few similarities between the Roman Empire in it's decline and the situation here in the U.S. currently. There doesn't seem to be much to be done about it - it's the law of entropy, I suppose.

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