Thread: Are these stones Charnley Forest

On the first look I was thinking also about Moughton but on the second the red part is not red enough.

Originally Posted by Rachim

Hello,
Please help me ID these stones! They are quite heavy and very hard to lap, after one hour of work with an Atoma 400 i can say I'm in the middle of straightening proces.
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Thanks and excuse my bat English!

I don't believe they're Charnley's. I have one that's identical to your's. (160x60) right down to the brown/rust colored swirls. It's very similar to the Chinese 12k. A friend of mine in Hong Kong sent it to me. It's a bit better than the run of the mill C12s.

And they are very, very hard. It did take some time to lapp, and I used a DMT XX, followed a DMT C

I'll try to post pics when I can.

@ Kees
One of the first things I do in the morning is to scan the important forums especialy the SRP and Coticule.be. ;-)

@ Rachim
Recognizing a stone off just a photo is very difficult. Looking closely, we can say the following :
* The stones absorb water.
* The colors vary slightly.
* The grain can be identified.
* We can see a red-brown swirl.

These stones make me think of the Spanish whetstones, see:

AfeitadoClasico • Ver Tema - a pedra das Meigas primeras impresiones

There has been a test about 6 varieties of these stones on another forum. The variation is from 1000 to 8000 grit. Unfortunately, the URL has been lost.
Up to now there is no good story about this Spanish whetstones. This requires at least 20 stones in order to obtain the variation in the characteristics and quality of the stones. There is still much to do...

@ Piet
A Moughton stone is very possible. The stones I have are much finer than the stones in the photos by Rachim. How the swirls go depends strongly on the direction of the cutting of the stone. See the pictures below of Moughton stones cut in a slightly different way.
The red lines appear to be slightly harder than the green surroundings. This phenomenon also occurs in the Charnley Forest stones.

The swirls look a bit yellowy/orange-y on the photos than a moughton that has deeper red/brown.
The easiest way to check it is, smell the wet slurry. If it smells like mud, it's possible to be a moughton. If not, I don't think so.

I have 2 of the fine pedra das meigas, they are fine, but somewhat soft, and slow cutting compared to almost any fine stone.

Thank you all for the help ! The swirls are indeed yellowy/orange. The slurry don't smell like mud, i'll say it's smell like iron although i'm not a very good with smells.
One more question:
Is the stone good for finish on a straight razor?

As already mentioned i also dont think its a moughton. But Henk visited the quarries there so probably there are variations in the colour, as far as i know Henk you also mentioned moughtons without the characteristic swirls

Originally Posted by Rachim

Thank you all for the help ! The swirls are indeed yellowy/orange. The slurry don't smell like mud, i'll say it's smell like iron although i'm not a very good with smells.
One more question:
Is the stone good for finish on a straight razor?

You can see it for yourself if the stones are fine enough as a finisher, all you need is an edge. That's the best part at hone hunting. And, if you are not sure then, I'm always here to help

Doorsch is right, I doubt there are many people who are as dedicated and knowledgeable as Mr. Bos, margeja about hones.