Thread: Dragons tongue(8-10K) and purple llyn melynllyn(12k)

has anyone ever used DRAGONS TONGUE(8-10K) and PURPLE LLYN MELYNLLYN(12k)
if so are they any use there a welsh slate as far as I know

Yes we did a test with them. It should be in advanced honing. They are very nice stones

Originally Posted by madpaddy

has anyone ever used DRAGONS TONGUE(8-10K) and PURPLE LLYN MELYNLLYN(12k)
if so are they any use there a welsh slate as far as I know

There are plenty of threads about them. Usually, they are not finisher grade.

There is nothing wrong with them as finishers. When we tested them we shaved off of every stone

Originally Posted by nicknbleeding

There is nothing wrong with them as finishers. When we tested them we shaved off of every stone

Are you still using it? New hone enthusiasm is a bad thing that happens to all of us.
Some of the old yellow lake stones came close to being finishers. The newer ones usually aren't. Both the dragon's tongue and purple yellow lake are in their majority very close to Belgian blue stones in all aspects of honing. And I haven't tried many "15k" belgian blue stones.
On the other hand, it's personal preference what is and isn't a finisher.

Been a while but I also have a Few too many hones. The dragons tongue create an extremely sharp edge is few strokes. Everyone has their preferred way. If I'm in a hurry and don't have time to play I stick with nanawa. But the Welsh slate can be a fine combo and finisher. linen and leather or crox also

I must admit that I tend to agree with Vasilis.

I used to sell these hones - a lot of them, too as I had an agreement with the Inigo Jones company. I tested every one I sold. My estimate of a grit rating on the best ones was around 9k, but a lot of others fell in around the 6k to 8k mark. Whatever, I considered them as not quite a finishing hone, unless you used something like chrome oxide after honing.

The main thing was that the surface on them from the quarry, although flat, was milled a bit coarsely, so this had to be lapped off with a 325 grit diamond hone which improved the stone enormously, and a 600 grit plate made it really quite fine. The ones I used were lapped with different grits on each side. Also, you need to be somewhat adept at honing, or the edge is not what you think it would be.

As for the purple slates, I have tried a lot of old vintage ones in boxes and set in paddles, all the Salmen types (except the dark grey which is a different stone entirely and a finisher for certain) multiple times and a lot of the freshly quarried ones. I can honestly say that not one of them came anywhere near 15k. Maybe 10 0r 11k, but that is pushing it, and some of course come in below this.

In fact the person who sold them on Ebay usd to ask my advice, but then he came up with these nonsensical grit ratings. I know that some people jave used them and think that they are the bees knees, never failing to sing their praises whenever the opportunity arises. Me? - I also take the opportunity whenever I can to try and put the matter in perspective with regards to my own numerous experiences of these hones.

In the end its just a lot of peoples personal experiences combined with how they prepared the various stones, the changeable nature of natural stones, how coarse their beards are and how adept at honing they are. Too many variables to take any ones word, including mine.

Regards,
Neil

Originally Posted by madpaddy

has anyone ever used DRAGONS TONGUE(8-10K) and PURPLE LLYN MELYNLLYN(12k)
if so are they any use there a welsh slate as far as I know

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I bought a Dragon's Tongue from Neil Miller several years ago. He estimated the grit rating at around 9k and I agree with that estimate. I also bought a PURPLE LLYN MELYNLLYN from him some time later and it finishes quite nicely with a gradually diluted slurry to plain water. A fair estimate on that stone would be 10k to 12k. Both stones yield a smooth shave with minimum fuss.

Hello to All,

I bought the 3-Stone 'AJ' set.

The Purple LM is the hardest of my three stones, and is the best performer (for me). When I use it, I start on light slurry, and finish on very, very wispy slurry, ending with some spine leading strokes.

The finish and shave off the Purple LM is not bad at all, though I still prefer the edge from my Naniwa 12k SS.

Have fun

Best regards

Russ

Originally Posted by PhatMan

Hello to All,

I bought the 3-Stone 'AJ' set.

The Purple LM is the hardest of my three stones, and is the best performer (for me). When I use it, I start on light slurry, and finish on very, very wispy slurry, ending with some spine leading strokes.

The finish and shave off the Purple LM is not bad at all, though I still prefer the edge from my Naniwa 12k SS.

Have fun

Best regards

Russ

Interestingly, the unidentified slate that he sent me is a very nice hone. It actually puts a keener edge on a razor than the LM does, but I find the edge to be sightly unrefined and it doesn't match my shaving preferences. So what I do is a progression from the DT -> LM -> Unidentified slate and then go back to the LM for a few strokes on a very light slurry to tone down the edge a bit. This has resulted in edges that really are excellent to shave off.