Thread: Coti and Thuringian question

I use a Thuri after my coti, I like it!

I am a little confuse about original post.
why coticule and thuringian not an Escher ?
i would say what i know about both . coticule and thuringian will leave escher alone.
coticule i have owned many of them more then enough
have seen some will act seems like sandpaper(even while you hone you will hear that sound) very fast cutting and grit will be around 4k.
some will cut fast and grit around 8k level
Lastly which is i like most . My coticule which i kept it.
will put similar edge as thuringian. i called it bubbling coticule.
i send this particular stone to another srp member and he said this is some kinda marble not sharpening stone.(didn't like it at all)
He used his best coticule and sharpen the razor and send me the razor for shave test..
the shave was smooth shave but not as sharp as i like it but it was a smooth.
Now thuringian stones . Old ones are great will give sharp and smooth edge. New ones are horrible. I had 3 of them and none of them was satisfactory.

My advice to any new people .
don't start to learn honing with coticule. if you don't have any other choose buy coticule someone which will give to you guaranty that stone is mean to for straight razor. In this case you will be safe. hope this helps. gl

well i just like to hone and own at least one of all of those hones, i find my coticule gives a good start to going onto the thuri or escher, what i noticed after reading the posts is that nobody really compared results on which kind of razor...by that i mean , carbon or stainless...

I had trouble with stainless and did run through my sequence...test shaved and it sucked...ran to momma so to speak and learned that i needed to remove the scratch pattern from honing...i used my TOS and my escher..with great results.

The common thing here is that no one person is bang on, only experiences can tell you what suits you....great discussion guys liked it alot...this is my tuppence worth...lol..

Simon

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

I use a Thuri after my coti, I like it!

Me too! IMHO An Escher or Thuringian is a Superior Finisher when compared to a Coticule....I feel the Escher gives you a much smoother, more refined edge than shaving off a Coti. Don't get me wrong, I love Coti's an own many, but if I had to pick one Finisher out of the two, it'd be Thuringian...

All Esher's are Thuringians, but not all Thuringians are Eschers....

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

As has been said personal preferences will differ. IME an Escher or Thuringan is a superior finisher to a coticule. For sharpening to the finishing stage I'll take the coticule.

I am glad that I didn't read that business about not following a coticule with a Thuringan before I had already done so many times with great results. YMMV.

A naniwa 12k is a great finisher IME and may give more consistent results than some natural stones. Just IMHO.

It seems a lot of fokes do like the eschers/thur. I never tryed one and would'nt no a original one to be onest. Refering to the 12k you have jimmy does it improve after coticule ? I never tryed that neither. I no raspur finishers with 10k after coticule he does about 40 passes on the 10k.

Originally Posted by gary haywood

It seems a lot of fokes do like the eschers/thur. I never tryed one and would'nt no a original one to be onest. Refering to the 12k you have jimmy does it improve after coticule ? I never tryed that neither. I no raspur finishers with 10k after coticule he does about 40 passes on the 10k.

I think that it would improve it Gary. I think it would be a keener edge but I've never tried it either. If I am honing with naturals I tend to stay with naturals. Wih nortons I might follow with a synthetic high grit after the 4/8 but many times I'll go with a coticule or an escher.

Sometimes I follow a Norton 4/8 with a coticule and shave with that or sometimes follow a coticule with an escher but never with a synthetic stone. I like to see how good an edge I can get off of the coticule .... or whatever so I don't try to get the razor sharper with paste or a synthetic.

Generally when I am honing with naniwas I stick to the naniwa series and with shapton pros I stay within that series. Of course there are no rules and anyone can follow one hone with another of their choice. It just seems to me that a series of hones designed with the same grit and binder ought to work well together and give more consistency. I have the feeling that the naniwa 12k is an even higher grit than what they are saying. At least it feels that way from he results I get.

I've used the Nani 12k after my Coticule. It works well, and will give you a keener edge.
There's lots of variances between Coticules, IME. Some are better finisher's and other's are better cutters. Some are on lower end of the grit scale, while other's are higher.
I.E. The pinker Coti's tend to cut better, while the yellow/green tend to be better finisher's. Also, I find that Tiger striped coti's cut well. You can always stop after a Coti and shave off it, but if you have Escher's or J-Nat's or even a Shapton 16k, Your edge will improve...

I've not got any of them to compare, so i carn't coment. I'd like to try them after i have honed to the max on coticule just to see if there is any diferance. All i can go by is the shaves i get of a well honed coticule edge. Which i carn't fault. I also had a razor honed by bart of the coticule, which we swoped and the shave was as good as it gets. I've had razors honed by a chap who hones using nortons then he finishes on the kitiyama. We both no who he is zib i'm not going to mention is name, but he does a greaty job. Compared to the coticule honing i still found coticule was the nicer shaver by far. I will have to get hold of a naniwa 10k and give it a blast. From what i can gather echers cost a bomb so i will give that a miss.

Originally Posted by gary haywood

From what i can gather echers cost a bomb so i will give that a miss.

Gary,

Check Antique stores and Estate sales, sometimes you get lucky. Some guys have found them (Eschers) for 10.00 because the seller was unaware. Also, you can get a Thuringian from Mueller at Timber Tools.
I don't have any feedback on them, nor do I own one, but I hear they are good finishers comparable to an Escher...Maybe somebody has feedback on one....?

Originally Posted by zib

Gary,

Check Antique stores and Estate sales, sometimes you get lucky. Some guys have found them (Eschers) for 10.00 because the seller was unaware. Also, you can get a Thuringian from Mueller at Timber Tools.
I don't have any feedback on them, nor do I own one, but I hear they are good finishers comparable to an Escher...Maybe somebody has feedback on one....?

Aren't these new ones the ones that Sham said are "horrible" in his post above?